Comments on: Just another Oracle Sunrise, Or, A Consolidation Sketch http://www.redmonk.com/jgovernor/2010/02/19/just-another-oracle-sunrise-further-thoughts-on-consolidation/ An industry analyst blog looking at software ecosystems and convergence Fri, 03 Feb 2012 10:35:40 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: niraj http://www.redmonk.com/jgovernor/2010/02/19/just-another-oracle-sunrise-further-thoughts-on-consolidation/comment-page-1/#comment-552838 niraj Wed, 10 Mar 2010 16:55:36 +0000 http://www.redmonk.com/jgovernor/?p=2527#comment-552838 "Our vision for the year of 2010 is the same as IBM’s for 1960" Whats wrong with that vision? Nothing IMHO. Everyone if going after the 1960's IBM approach, admittedly from a different point of view. Google is clearly aiming for the Consumer to small business IT market Oracle and IBM on the other hand are coming top down. Enterprise first and then small business and then consumers. Look at what google is doing with AppEngine- One Big Mainframe approach also. IT has it's upsides like Radically easy to build applications and its downsides like flexibility of tools. You will end up having 5 big IT vendors like Oracle , Google , MSFT/HP , IBM and maybe some focussed vendors(Amazon , SAP and a very long tail). “Our vision for the year of 2010 is the same as IBM’s for 1960″

Whats wrong with that vision? Nothing IMHO.

Everyone if going after the 1960′s IBM approach, admittedly from a different point of view.

Google is clearly aiming for the Consumer to small business IT market Oracle and IBM on the other hand are coming top down. Enterprise first and then small business and then consumers.

Look at what google is doing with AppEngine- One Big Mainframe approach also. IT has it’s upsides like Radically easy to build applications and its downsides like flexibility of tools.

You will end up having 5 big IT vendors like Oracle , Google , MSFT/HP , IBM and maybe some focussed vendors(Amazon , SAP and a very long tail).

]]> By: Mark Cathcart http://www.redmonk.com/jgovernor/2010/02/19/just-another-oracle-sunrise-further-thoughts-on-consolidation/comment-page-1/#comment-550758 Mark Cathcart Fri, 19 Feb 2010 20:13:09 +0000 http://www.redmonk.com/jgovernor/?p=2527#comment-550758 I keep hearing this one throat to choke... its very difficult to do though. After years and years IBM still hasn't pulled it off when it comes to choking. Sure you can escalate problems, and sure the very biggest of customers gets an executive contact, but mostly it still doesn't work at the coal face. Ask anyone who has tried reporting a Websphere problem with a DB2 database under an IBM OS on IBM hardware, where the problem is a pseudo hardware read error from disk. Maybe Oracle can do better at this, but I'd guess not. Support is going the same way as service, replace and return, its not clear how you do this when a reboot doesn't fix it. Lets see how "integrated" they can really get... and if integrated means building interfaces and API's, debugging that is there specifically to help their own products ?? I keep hearing this one throat to choke… its very difficult to do though. After years and years IBM still hasn’t pulled it off when it comes to choking. Sure you can escalate problems, and sure the very biggest of customers gets an executive contact, but mostly it still doesn’t work at the coal face. Ask anyone who has tried reporting a Websphere problem with a DB2 database under an IBM OS on IBM hardware, where the problem is a pseudo hardware read error from disk.

Maybe Oracle can do better at this, but I’d guess not. Support is going the same way as service, replace and return, its not clear how you do this when a reboot doesn’t fix it.

Lets see how “integrated” they can really get… and if integrated means building interfaces and API’s, debugging that is there specifically to help their own products ??

]]> By: dbmoore http://www.redmonk.com/jgovernor/2010/02/19/just-another-oracle-sunrise-further-thoughts-on-consolidation/comment-page-1/#comment-550872 dbmoore Fri, 19 Feb 2010 18:26:03 +0000 http://www.redmonk.com/jgovernor/?p=2527#comment-550872 <p>#News Just another #Oracle Sunrise, Or, A Consolidation Sketch: Clearly Oracle is in an amazing position now in terms… <a href="http://dlvr.it/2DM3" rel="nofollow">http://dlvr.it/2DM3</a></p> <p><i>This comment was originally posted on <a href="http://twitter.com/dbmoore/statuses/9346771496" rel="nofollow">Twitter</a></i></p> #News Just another #Oracle Sunrise, Or, A Consolidation Sketch: Clearly Oracle is in an amazing position now in terms… http://dlvr.it/2DM3

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