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	<title>Comments on: Thoughts on Gartner and the Burton Group acquisition</title>
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		<title>By: James Governor</title>
		<link>http://www.redmonk.com/jgovernor/2010/01/06/some-thoughts-on-gartner-and-the-burton-group-acquisition/comment-page-1/#comment-548443</link>
		<dc:creator>James Governor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jan 2010 15:37:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ah yes - per seat pricing in the analyst business. as if we were software... to be honest i am not sure how burton worked in that respect. in terms of longer calls, obviously it depends. at redmonk we generally work to an hour, but very often a shorter call could work just as well. 

interoperability is more important than ever. burton has certainly been a champion and educator on open standards. this would seem an area gartner could even invest in, but i have no idea whether it will or not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ah yes &#8211; per seat pricing in the analyst business. as if we were software&#8230; to be honest i am not sure how burton worked in that respect. in terms of longer calls, obviously it depends. at redmonk we generally work to an hour, but very often a shorter call could work just as well. </p>
<p>interoperability is more important than ever. burton has certainly been a champion and educator on open standards. this would seem an area gartner could even invest in, but i have no idea whether it will or not.</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
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		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jan 2010 15:23:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Would be fascinated to know your thoughts in a future blog entry regarding:

1. Gartner and Burton have different models when it comes to the notion of the seat. Would it be a bad move if Gartner forced Burton to eliminate?

2. Burton dialogs tend to be one hour by default where Gartner is much shorter, will customers lose choice?

3. Burton is much more technology savvy when it comes to running own business. A user never has to type an id and password as they also offer federated identity. Likewise, Burton allows outsiders to see their calendar such that they can schedule a dialog more efficiently.

4. Comparison of vendors and products is fascinating however taking it one step further into interoperability provides even more value. Should Gartner leverage the Burton playbook in this regard and host interop events for BPM, ECM, CRM, etc</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Would be fascinated to know your thoughts in a future blog entry regarding:</p>
<p>1. Gartner and Burton have different models when it comes to the notion of the seat. Would it be a bad move if Gartner forced Burton to eliminate?</p>
<p>2. Burton dialogs tend to be one hour by default where Gartner is much shorter, will customers lose choice?</p>
<p>3. Burton is much more technology savvy when it comes to running own business. A user never has to type an id and password as they also offer federated identity. Likewise, Burton allows outsiders to see their calendar such that they can schedule a dialog more efficiently.</p>
<p>4. Comparison of vendors and products is fascinating however taking it one step further into interoperability provides even more value. Should Gartner leverage the Burton playbook in this regard and host interop events for BPM, ECM, CRM, etc</p>
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		<title>By: James Governor</title>
		<link>http://www.redmonk.com/jgovernor/2010/01/06/some-thoughts-on-gartner-and-the-burton-group-acquisition/comment-page-1/#comment-548437</link>
		<dc:creator>James Governor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jan 2010 12:58:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Scott nice to hear from you. Good to get a customer view. You make a really good point about ease of access and barriers to participation - obviously at redmonk we try and make ourselves as accessible as we can.

Robb - hey! My stated intention is to focus on customer value, not rubbishing the competition. In danger of growing up, I know, but I have obviously still have a ways to go in that regard ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Scott nice to hear from you. Good to get a customer view. You make a really good point about ease of access and barriers to participation &#8211; obviously at redmonk we try and make ourselves as accessible as we can.</p>
<p>Robb &#8211; hey! My stated intention is to focus on customer value, not rubbishing the competition. In danger of growing up, I know, but I have obviously still have a ways to go in that regard <img src='http://www.redmonk.com/jgovernor/wp/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Robb Mapp</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robb Mapp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 18:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did someone hack James&#039; account and post this? :)...solid analysis. This reminds me a lot of the META acquisition, though I hope the Burton team doesn&#039;t experience the same fate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did someone hack James&#8217; account and post this? <img src='http://www.redmonk.com/jgovernor/wp/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> &#8230;solid analysis. This reminds me a lot of the META acquisition, though I hope the Burton team doesn&#8217;t experience the same fate.</p>
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		<title>By: Nelsonb</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nelsonb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 11:43:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thoughts on Gartner and the Burton Group acquisition &lt;a href=&quot;http://bit.ly/4Z2aWF&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://bit.ly/4Z2aWF&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;This comment was originally posted on &lt;a href=&quot;http://twitter.com/Nelsonb/statuses/7515704014&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Twitter&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thoughts on Gartner and the Burton Group acquisition <a href="http://bit.ly/4Z2aWF" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/4Z2aWF</a></p>
<p><i>This comment was originally posted on <a href="http://twitter.com/Nelsonb/statuses/7515704014" rel="nofollow">Twitter</a></i></p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2010 20:21:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heartily agree with Barbara.  Dealing with Gartner is still very sterile - working through intermediaries, strict 1/2 hour consults, only paid seats can access research, etc.

The Burton model was wonderfully open and democratic - you schedule time *with the analyst* and they were flexible with time, accessible by email, etc.  Anyone in the enterprise can access research.

Burton&#039;s main advantages will tank if their interaction model gets Gartner-ized.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heartily agree with Barbara.  Dealing with Gartner is still very sterile &#8211; working through intermediaries, strict 1/2 hour consults, only paid seats can access research, etc.</p>
<p>The Burton model was wonderfully open and democratic &#8211; you schedule time *with the analyst* and they were flexible with time, accessible by email, etc.  Anyone in the enterprise can access research.</p>
<p>Burton&#8217;s main advantages will tank if their interaction model gets Gartner-ized.</p>
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		<title>By: James Governor</title>
		<link>http://www.redmonk.com/jgovernor/2010/01/06/some-thoughts-on-gartner-and-the-burton-group-acquisition/comment-page-1/#comment-548326</link>
		<dc:creator>James Governor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2010 12:30:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Barbara- nice to see you. you&#039;re probably in a better position than me to track the success or otherwise of this acquisition in terms of end user access to analysts and so on.

Cheers jdub! you too @robciampa and right90</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Barbara- nice to see you. you&#8217;re probably in a better position than me to track the success or otherwise of this acquisition in terms of end user access to analysts and so on.</p>
<p>Cheers jdub! you too @robciampa and right90</p>
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		<title>By: jdub</title>
		<link>http://www.redmonk.com/jgovernor/2010/01/06/some-thoughts-on-gartner-and-the-burton-group-acquisition/comment-page-1/#comment-548311</link>
		<dc:creator>jdub</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2010 01:39:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&#8220;At @RedMonk we celebrate the voices of our people, rather than the voice of the firm.&#8221; &#8212; so true + so cool: &lt;a href=&quot;http://is.gd/5PM9M&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://is.gd/5PM9M&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;This comment was originally posted on &lt;a href=&quot;http://twitter.com/jdub/statuses/7461948075&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Twitter&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;At @RedMonk we celebrate the voices of our people, rather than the voice of the firm.&#8221; &#8212; so true + so cool: <a href="http://is.gd/5PM9M" rel="nofollow">http://is.gd/5PM9M</a></p>
<p><i>This comment was originally posted on <a href="http://twitter.com/jdub/statuses/7461948075" rel="nofollow">Twitter</a></i></p>
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		<title>By: Barbara French</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barbara French</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2010 01:05:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Candid insights, James. I agree with many of your points, including the value of your own firm and other qualified sources as alternate voices to Gartner.

While I wish Jamie and team the best, I&#039;m disappointed with this particular M&amp;A. I doubt that Gartner will want -- or be able -- to scale Burton Group&#039;s rigorous architectural approach to research, analysis and customer-specific recommendations. Nor the access to Burton analysts. Burton&#039;s signature holistic approach and analyst access were the reasons IT professionals did business with Burton.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Candid insights, James. I agree with many of your points, including the value of your own firm and other qualified sources as alternate voices to Gartner.</p>
<p>While I wish Jamie and team the best, I&#8217;m disappointed with this particular M&amp;A. I doubt that Gartner will want &#8212; or be able &#8212; to scale Burton Group&#8217;s rigorous architectural approach to research, analysis and customer-specific recommendations. Nor the access to Burton analysts. Burton&#8217;s signature holistic approach and analyst access were the reasons IT professionals did business with Burton.</p>
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		<title>By: Online Storage Optimization &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Gartner Gobbles up Burton Group - Good or Bad Sign?</title>
		<link>http://www.redmonk.com/jgovernor/2010/01/06/some-thoughts-on-gartner-and-the-burton-group-acquisition/comment-page-1/#comment-548295</link>
		<dc:creator>Online Storage Optimization &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Gartner Gobbles up Burton Group - Good or Bad Sign?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 19:07:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] this acquisition has its positives, says James Governor&#8217;s Monkchips blog. His boutique analyst firm, Redmonk might actually benefit, he says. Why? Because companies [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] this acquisition has its positives, says James Governor&#8217;s Monkchips blog. His boutique analyst firm, Redmonk might actually benefit, he says. Why? Because companies [...]</p>
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