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	<title>Comments on: Linux and The Enterprise Cloud: A Canonical Gig</title>
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		<title>By: kenyagen</title>
		<link>http://www.redmonk.com/jgovernor/2009/11/13/linux-and-the-enterprise-cloud-a-canonical-gig/comment-page-1/#comment-546877</link>
		<dc:creator>kenyagen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 01:56:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;There are three kinds of economics you can’t compete with – Open Source, The Web, and Simplicity. &lt;a href=&quot;http://tinyurl.com/yjw4h3m&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://tinyurl.com/yjw4h3m&lt;/a&gt; #yam&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are three kinds of economics you can’t compete with – Open Source, The Web, and Simplicity. <a href="http://tinyurl.com/yjw4h3m" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/yjw4h3m</a> #yam</p>
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		<title>By: monkchips</title>
		<link>http://www.redmonk.com/jgovernor/2009/11/13/linux-and-the-enterprise-cloud-a-canonical-gig/comment-page-1/#comment-546850</link>
		<dc:creator>monkchips</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 15:30:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;@benlamothe thanks so much for the referral! @lakey hello &#8211; what kind of audience is it? here is a recent talk i gave &lt;a href=&quot;http://bit.ly/3rJuT2&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://bit.ly/3rJuT2&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@benlamothe thanks so much for the referral! @lakey hello &#8211; what kind of audience is it? here is a recent talk i gave <a href="http://bit.ly/3rJuT2" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/3rJuT2</a></p>
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		<title>By: feir</title>
		<link>http://www.redmonk.com/jgovernor/2009/11/13/linux-and-the-enterprise-cloud-a-canonical-gig/comment-page-1/#comment-545861</link>
		<dc:creator>feir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 06:31:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;There are three kinds of economics you can’t compete with. Open Source, the Web and Simplicity. &lt;a href=&quot;http://digg.com/u1H2JK&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://digg.com/u1H2JK&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are three kinds of economics you can’t compete with. Open Source, the Web and Simplicity. <a href="http://digg.com/u1H2JK" rel="nofollow">http://digg.com/u1H2JK</a></p>
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		<title>By: frogpond &#187; Cloud is the new black</title>
		<link>http://www.redmonk.com/jgovernor/2009/11/13/linux-and-the-enterprise-cloud-a-canonical-gig/comment-page-1/#comment-545526</link>
		<dc:creator>frogpond &#187; Cloud is the new black</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 13:23:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] and continue with slides from James Governor I earmarked this week because of this stance: &#8220;There are three kinds of economics you [...]</description>
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		<title>By: MetiaAR</title>
		<link>http://www.redmonk.com/jgovernor/2009/11/13/linux-and-the-enterprise-cloud-a-canonical-gig/comment-page-1/#comment-545332</link>
		<dc:creator>MetiaAR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 17:22:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;RedMonk: Linux and The Enterprise Cloud: A Canonical Gig &lt;a href=&quot;http://digbig.com/5baqrm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://digbig.com/5baqrm&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RedMonk: Linux and The Enterprise Cloud: A Canonical Gig <a href="http://digbig.com/5baqrm" rel="nofollow">http://digbig.com/5baqrm</a></p>
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		<title>By: DE</title>
		<link>http://www.redmonk.com/jgovernor/2009/11/13/linux-and-the-enterprise-cloud-a-canonical-gig/comment-page-1/#comment-545166</link>
		<dc:creator>DE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 00:09:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt; Don’t say you weren’t warned…

You have been diligent in warning us.

And how is OCCI going?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt; Don’t say you weren’t warned…</p>
<p>You have been diligent in warning us.</p>
<p>And how is OCCI going?</p>
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		<title>By: JasonM80</title>
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		<dc:creator>JasonM80</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 22:38:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting points raised in the slides. (I&#039;m sure your live presentation was even better!)

There are lots of advantages to cloud computing, which you outline. The point that some of the comments make around API compatibility is an interesting one. However, I am not convinced that Amazon will be determining the de facto standard, especially since the competition (Google App Engine, Microsoft Windows Azure, etc.) are different types of services (PaaS vs. Amazon&#039;s IaaS), which might make having a standard API impractical.

However, Amazon seems to be offering more PaaS-style features lately, with their new RDBM and .NET SDK, so I can&#039;t help but wonder if the future of the industry is leading more toward PaaS, which would make a standard API *slightly* more possible.

(I am contracted by M80, working with Microsoft to promote Windows Azure)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting points raised in the slides. (I&#8217;m sure your live presentation was even better!)</p>
<p>There are lots of advantages to cloud computing, which you outline. The point that some of the comments make around API compatibility is an interesting one. However, I am not convinced that Amazon will be determining the de facto standard, especially since the competition (Google App Engine, Microsoft Windows Azure, etc.) are different types of services (PaaS vs. Amazon&#8217;s IaaS), which might make having a standard API impractical.</p>
<p>However, Amazon seems to be offering more PaaS-style features lately, with their new RDBM and .NET SDK, so I can&#8217;t help but wonder if the future of the industry is leading more toward PaaS, which would make a standard API *slightly* more possible.</p>
<p>(I am contracted by M80, working with Microsoft to promote Windows Azure)</p>
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		<title>By: Sam Johnston</title>
		<link>http://www.redmonk.com/jgovernor/2009/11/13/linux-and-the-enterprise-cloud-a-canonical-gig/comment-page-1/#comment-545070</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam Johnston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 23:45:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Canonical/Eucalyptus&#039; decision to copy Amazon&#039;s APIs may be a sensible (if risky) business decision but it&#039;s not to be confused with open.

If the industry doesn&#039;t want to be led by the nose by a single vendor again (VMware on the private side &amp; Amazon on the public side) then we need to work hard now.

Don&#039;t say you weren&#039;t warned...

Sam</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Canonical/Eucalyptus&#8217; decision to copy Amazon&#8217;s APIs may be a sensible (if risky) business decision but it&#8217;s not to be confused with open.</p>
<p>If the industry doesn&#8217;t want to be led by the nose by a single vendor again (VMware on the private side &amp; Amazon on the public side) then we need to work hard now.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t say you weren&#8217;t warned&#8230;</p>
<p>Sam</p>
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		<title>By: Bill de hOra</title>
		<link>http://www.redmonk.com/jgovernor/2009/11/13/linux-and-the-enterprise-cloud-a-canonical-gig/comment-page-1/#comment-545067</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill de hOra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 23:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James, Steve is being too polite. I think what&#039;s he&#039;s saying is that EC2 has no independent test suite therefor interop doesn&#039;t really exist - no specification without testification. 

I do think this is *very, very*  important for those promoting cloud interop, that they focus on a shared test set, and not just protocols and data formats. This is an important factor got syndication out of the weeds.

I now pass it over to sogrady ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James, Steve is being too polite. I think what&#8217;s he&#8217;s saying is that EC2 has no independent test suite therefor interop doesn&#8217;t really exist &#8211; no specification without testification. </p>
<p>I do think this is *very, very*  important for those promoting cloud interop, that they focus on a shared test set, and not just protocols and data formats. This is an important factor got syndication out of the weeds.</p>
<p>I now pass it over to sogrady <img src='http://www.redmonk.com/jgovernor/wp/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: dehora</title>
		<link>http://www.redmonk.com/jgovernor/2009/11/13/linux-and-the-enterprise-cloud-a-canonical-gig/comment-page-1/#comment-545068</link>
		<dc:creator>dehora</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 23:20:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;economics you can&#8217;t compete with &lt;a href=&quot;http://tinyurl.com/ybztpj5&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://tinyurl.com/ybztpj5&lt;/a&gt; brilliant by @monkchips&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>economics you can&#8217;t compete with <a href="http://tinyurl.com/ybztpj5" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/ybztpj5</a> brilliant by @monkchips</p>
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