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		<title>By: Weekly links (weekly) &#124; Frontiering Talk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Weekly links (weekly) &#124; Frontiering Talk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2009 10:34:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] James Governor&#8217;s Monkchips » Critical Mass: Bringing Physics to Social Network Pablum [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Personal Communities: fundamental changes in business</title>
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		<dc:creator>Personal Communities: fundamental changes in business</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2009 05:13:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] can affect your bottom line. Do the maths. Just [...]</description>
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		<title>By: voiska</title>
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		<dc:creator>voiska</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 20:33:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Patiesi &#8211; How may social media experts have any understanding of statistical physics? &lt;a href=&quot;http://bit.ly/1d0a41&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://bit.ly/1d0a41&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Patiesi &#8211; How may social media experts have any understanding of statistical physics? <a href="http://bit.ly/1d0a41" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/1d0a41</a></p>
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		<title>By: monkchips</title>
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		<dc:creator>monkchips</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 13:53:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;thanks @delineator for the awesome link about Economics violating the laws of physics &lt;a href=&quot;http://bit.ly/kX8lq&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://bit.ly/kX8lq&lt;/a&gt; chimes with &lt;a href=&quot;http://bit.ly/2hfWSc&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://bit.ly/2hfWSc&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thanks @delineator for the awesome link about Economics violating the laws of physics <a href="http://bit.ly/kX8lq" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/kX8lq</a> chimes with <a href="http://bit.ly/2hfWSc" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/2hfWSc</a></p>
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		<title>By: JoeBaguley</title>
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		<dc:creator>JoeBaguley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 19:24:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Social media meets science, @monkchips hits the nail on the head (I studied statistics &amp; mechanics James ;-) ) : &lt;a href=&quot;http://is.gd/4Be36&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://is.gd/4Be36&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Social media meets science, @monkchips hits the nail on the head (I studied statistics &#038; mechanics James <img src='http://www.redmonk.com/jgovernor/wp/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' />  ) : <a href="http://is.gd/4Be36" rel="nofollow">http://is.gd/4Be36</a></p>
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		<title>By: David Haywood Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Haywood Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2009 00:56:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Really fascinating concept!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Really fascinating concept!</p>
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		<title>By: kulturmanager</title>
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		<dc:creator>kulturmanager</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 19:43:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Reading: James Governor: &#8220;Critical Mass: Bringing Physics to Social Network Pablum&#8221; ( &lt;a href=&quot;http://bit.ly/MPFdr&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://bit.ly/MPFdr&lt;/a&gt; )&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reading: James Governor: &#8220;Critical Mass: Bringing Physics to Social Network Pablum&#8221; ( <a href="http://bit.ly/MPFdr" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/MPFdr</a> )</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher Morace</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christopher Morace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 18:50:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James, when you and I spoke this morning and you mentioned how closely what Jive is doing in social analytics mapped to the points you made in this blog, I was excited to read it. After doing so, I completely agree.  More importantly, I think we are only just entering this stage of insight when it comes to social analytics and the next year is when the magic happens.  I often describe the last few years in terms of the maturity of social analytics as:
Level 0 (2008): Community growth metrics
Level 1 (2009): Translation of traditional business ROI metrics (case deflection, deal closure, product adoption, etc)
Level 2 (2010): Illumination of Social Value within Business

It is this next level that feels to me like what you are talking about, James, and it is this information and the power it has to transform the way we work together and make decision in the workplace that has me excited.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James, when you and I spoke this morning and you mentioned how closely what Jive is doing in social analytics mapped to the points you made in this blog, I was excited to read it. After doing so, I completely agree.  More importantly, I think we are only just entering this stage of insight when it comes to social analytics and the next year is when the magic happens.  I often describe the last few years in terms of the maturity of social analytics as:<br />
Level 0 (2008): Community growth metrics<br />
Level 1 (2009): Translation of traditional business ROI metrics (case deflection, deal closure, product adoption, etc)<br />
Level 2 (2010): Illumination of Social Value within Business</p>
<p>It is this next level that feels to me like what you are talking about, James, and it is this information and the power it has to transform the way we work together and make decision in the workplace that has me excited.</p>
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		<title>By: monkchips</title>
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		<dc:creator>monkchips</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 14:35:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;@amcafee what book made a BIG impression on me? I&#8217;m glad you asked &lt;a href=&quot;http://bit.ly/2hfWSc&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://bit.ly/2hfWSc&lt;/a&gt; #andyasks&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@amcafee what book made a BIG impression on me? I&#8217;m glad you asked <a href="http://bit.ly/2hfWSc" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/2hfWSc</a> #andyasks</p>
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		<title>By: James Governor</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Governor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 11:17:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hi Rosanne thanks for your comment. A couple of things. First off we should learn from recent events. Economists have been using deeply flawed and simplistic models of markets. Nobel prize winning Gaussian trading strategies have been proved utterly at odds with the truth of how markets operate. http://www.wired.com/techbiz/it/magazine/17-03/wp_quant?currentPage=all

In fact Ball argues, and I concur, that we need to drive social physics into economics to make it more effective. Rational really? I should also say that not only do very few people really read economics - but Gladwell is certainly *not* an economist. He is in the field of popular science, same as Ball. 

&quot;make you lose sight of the fact that we’re dealing with groups of unique and complex human beings here&quot; - with respect you can still apply maths here. Again look at, say Suroweiki&#039;s Wisdom of The Crowds - for a brilliant exposition on the power of aggregation. I hope you enjoy it - let me know. 



this was the basis of most of the trading strategies that killed us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hi Rosanne thanks for your comment. A couple of things. First off we should learn from recent events. Economists have been using deeply flawed and simplistic models of markets. Nobel prize winning Gaussian trading strategies have been proved utterly at odds with the truth of how markets operate. <a href="http://www.wired.com/techbiz/it/magazine/17-03/wp_quant?currentPage=all" rel="nofollow">http://www.wired.com/techbiz/it/magazine/17-03/wp_quant?currentPage=all</a></p>
<p>In fact Ball argues, and I concur, that we need to drive social physics into economics to make it more effective. Rational really? I should also say that not only do very few people really read economics &#8211; but Gladwell is certainly *not* an economist. He is in the field of popular science, same as Ball. </p>
<p>&#8220;make you lose sight of the fact that we’re dealing with groups of unique and complex human beings here&#8221; &#8211; with respect you can still apply maths here. Again look at, say Suroweiki&#8217;s Wisdom of The Crowds &#8211; for a brilliant exposition on the power of aggregation. I hope you enjoy it &#8211; let me know. </p>
<p>this was the basis of most of the trading strategies that killed us.</p>
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