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		<title>By: James Governor</title>
		<link>http://www.redmonk.com/jgovernor/2009/06/12/from-javaone-to-java-20-java-is-dead-long-live-java/comment-page-1/#comment-538148</link>
		<dc:creator>James Governor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jun 2009 12:47:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thanks for the clarification eduardo. as you say the spec was &quot;in flight&quot;. but modularity couldn&#039;t wait. the call was absolutely - glassfish is the model of a modern app server.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thanks for the clarification eduardo. as you say the spec was &#8220;in flight&#8221;. but modularity couldn&#8217;t wait. the call was absolutely &#8211; glassfish is the model of a modern app server.</p>
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		<title>By: People Over Process &#187; JavaOne 2009 - JavaFX, Microsoft, and People&#8217;s Mood</title>
		<link>http://www.redmonk.com/jgovernor/2009/06/12/from-javaone-to-java-20-java-is-dead-long-live-java/comment-page-1/#comment-537969</link>
		<dc:creator>People Over Process &#187; JavaOne 2009 - JavaFX, Microsoft, and People&#8217;s Mood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 15:25:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the kind of lissome accounting us analysts get all giddy over. My esteemed colleagues Stephen and James were there the first part of the week and tended to the real work of talking at Community Day and [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] the kind of lissome accounting us analysts get all giddy over. My esteemed colleagues Stephen and James were there the first part of the week and tended to the real work of talking at Community Day and [...]</p>
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		<title>By: dansickles</title>
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		<dc:creator>dansickles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jun 2009 15:42:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&#8220;From JavaOne to Java 2.0: Java is Dead, Long Live Java&#8221; &lt;a href=&quot;http://bit.ly/YGmKH&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://bit.ly/YGmKH&lt;/a&gt;  James Governor&#8217;s take on the state of Java post JavaOne&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;From JavaOne to Java 2.0: Java is Dead, Long Live Java&#8221; <a href="http://bit.ly/YGmKH" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/YGmKH</a>  James Governor&#8217;s take on the state of Java post JavaOne</p>
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		<title>By: mariogleichmann</title>
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		<dc:creator>mariogleichmann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 20:56:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Just reading &#8216;From JavaOne to Java 2.0: Java is Dead, Long Live Java&#8217; at &lt;a href=&quot;http://tiny.cc/rEUyo&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://tiny.cc/rEUyo&lt;/a&gt;  Let&#8217;s see what&#8217;s beyond Java &#8230;&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just reading &#8216;From JavaOne to Java 2.0: Java is Dead, Long Live Java&#8217; at <a href="http://tiny.cc/rEUyo" rel="nofollow">http://tiny.cc/rEUyo</a>  Let&#8217;s see what&#8217;s beyond Java &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Eduardo Pelegri-Llopart</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eduardo Pelegri-Llopart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 20:49:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi James.  One quick comment.  You write:

&gt;&gt;
Rather than adopting the Sun and Java Community Process (JCP) sponsored JSR 277 specification for Java class modularity Glassfish went with OSGi. That is, even Sun’s products were “forking Java” by 2008.
&gt;&gt;

Actually, JSR 277 was not an option because the spec was in-flight and its release was dependent on Java SE 7.  Since we needed a solution _then_, we needed something that would work on Java SE 6 and we wanted to reduce risks, what we did was use OSGi under our HK2 layer.  We also stated we would align with whatever modular solution the Java SE 7 team would reach.

I believe we made the right call; GF supports OSGi very well and, by making the decision then, we were able to move full-speed on the hard details of modularizing the services and containers, plus incorporating the Java EE 6 specs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi James.  One quick comment.  You write:</p>
<p>&gt;&gt;<br />
Rather than adopting the Sun and Java Community Process (JCP) sponsored JSR 277 specification for Java class modularity Glassfish went with OSGi. That is, even Sun’s products were “forking Java” by 2008.<br />
&gt;&gt;</p>
<p>Actually, JSR 277 was not an option because the spec was in-flight and its release was dependent on Java SE 7.  Since we needed a solution _then_, we needed something that would work on Java SE 6 and we wanted to reduce risks, what we did was use OSGi under our HK2 layer.  We also stated we would align with whatever modular solution the Java SE 7 team would reach.</p>
<p>I believe we made the right call; GF supports OSGi very well and, by making the decision then, we were able to move full-speed on the hard details of modularizing the services and containers, plus incorporating the Java EE 6 specs.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian  Skerrett</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ian  Skerrett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 19:39:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice analysis James. 

How SAP responds to Oracle&#039;s control of Java will also be interesting.   I also think the JavaME licensees will be watching closely.

Ian</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice analysis James. </p>
<p>How SAP responds to Oracle&#8217;s control of Java will also be interesting.   I also think the JavaME licensees will be watching closely.</p>
<p>Ian</p>
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		<title>By: IanSkerrett</title>
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		<dc:creator>IanSkerrett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 19:36:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;nice analysis from @monkchips about Java and Oracle  &lt;a href=&quot;http://twurl.nl/o3ahmn&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://twurl.nl/o3ahmn&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>nice analysis from @monkchips about Java and Oracle  <a href="http://twurl.nl/o3ahmn" rel="nofollow">http://twurl.nl/o3ahmn</a></p>
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		<title>By: mike2003sims</title>
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		<dc:creator>mike2003sims</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 16:53:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;@monkchips Great Blog! &#8220;#Java is Dead, Long Live Java&#8221;  &lt;a href=&quot;http://tr.im/oiff&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://tr.im/oiff&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@monkchips Great Blog! &#8220;#Java is Dead, Long Live Java&#8221;  <a href="http://tr.im/oiff" rel="nofollow">http://tr.im/oiff</a></p>
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		<title>By: monkchips</title>
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		<dc:creator>monkchips</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 16:47:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;From JavaOne to Java 2.0: Java is Dead, Long Live Java &lt;a href=&quot;http://bit.ly/YGmKH&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://bit.ly/YGmKH&lt;/a&gt; a work in progress, i would love your thoughts. peace out!&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From JavaOne to Java 2.0: Java is Dead, Long Live Java <a href="http://bit.ly/YGmKH" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/YGmKH</a> a work in progress, i would love your thoughts. peace out!</p>
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