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		<title>By: Microsoft wanting in on Open Source &#124; Too much to do, too little time to do it in</title>
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		<dc:creator>Microsoft wanting in on Open Source &#124; Too much to do, too little time to do it in</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Oct 2011 13:41:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] wasn&#8217;t sure if I had read this correctly from James Governor&#8217;s blog post, so I reread it. Yes there it is, here I&#8217;ll quote it for you, if you don&#8217;t believe me, [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] wasn&#8217;t sure if I had read this correctly from James Governor&#8217;s blog post, so I reread it. Yes there it is, here I&#8217;ll quote it for you, if you don&#8217;t believe me, [...]</p>
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		<title>By: dav</title>
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		<dc:creator>dav</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 02:55:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Java is toast.

Eight or so years ago there was a whole section, six shelves high with at lest 15 books on a shelf, at the Border&#039;s Bookstore in Mt. Kisco. All were about Java.

When I last checked, there were perhaps ten it total.

This mirrors, more slowly, what has happened to Notes. When I went in 2004 for a book on writing a Notes app, there was only one. It wasn&#039;t very good, but it was the only game in town.

Java isn&#039;t good, and it isn&#039;t the only game in town ...

I recently bought an Ultraspack station, circa 1999, for under $100. It cost $30,000 a decade ago. It is an amazing piece of hw. Sun also had Java a decade ago.

1) Java bytecode was needed then when bandwidth was low, and then only for browser apps.

Otherwise Java should be directed in machine language for the target platform. IBM and Sun wasted well north of a hundred million dollars on dynamic compilation, when then should have harnessed the s/w to Moore&#039;s Law by going directly to machine code.


2) Since almost all computers then -- and now -- run  Windows, Sun should have made MS their friend and not their enemy.

Sun is history. I&#039;m amazed Oracle even bother to host JavaOne. 

It should have been a wake, and thus should have been called

JavaDone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Java is toast.</p>
<p>Eight or so years ago there was a whole section, six shelves high with at lest 15 books on a shelf, at the Border&#8217;s Bookstore in Mt. Kisco. All were about Java.</p>
<p>When I last checked, there were perhaps ten it total.</p>
<p>This mirrors, more slowly, what has happened to Notes. When I went in 2004 for a book on writing a Notes app, there was only one. It wasn&#8217;t very good, but it was the only game in town.</p>
<p>Java isn&#8217;t good, and it isn&#8217;t the only game in town &#8230;</p>
<p>I recently bought an Ultraspack station, circa 1999, for under $100. It cost $30,000 a decade ago. It is an amazing piece of hw. Sun also had Java a decade ago.</p>
<p>1) Java bytecode was needed then when bandwidth was low, and then only for browser apps.</p>
<p>Otherwise Java should be directed in machine language for the target platform. IBM and Sun wasted well north of a hundred million dollars on dynamic compilation, when then should have harnessed the s/w to Moore&#8217;s Law by going directly to machine code.</p>
<p>2) Since almost all computers then &#8212; and now &#8212; run  Windows, Sun should have made MS their friend and not their enemy.</p>
<p>Sun is history. I&#8217;m amazed Oracle even bother to host JavaOne. </p>
<p>It should have been a wake, and thus should have been called</p>
<p>JavaDone.</p>
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		<title>By: nik_g  · June 03, 2009 02:00:15</title>
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		<dc:creator>nik_g  · June 03, 2009 02:00:15</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 02:00:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;We&#8217;re excited about the FTW! showdown, and the game lounge. FarCry2, FTW!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;This comment was originally posted on &lt;a href=&quot;http://davidcrow.ca/toronto/7170/make-web-not-war-aka-cant-we-just-get-along#IDComment23160135&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot; title=&quot;&#8220;&#8220;Make Web, Not War&#8221; aka Can&#8217;t We Just Get Along?&#8221; (http://davidcrow.ca/)&quot;&gt;David Crow&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We&#8217;re excited about the FTW! showdown, and the game lounge. FarCry2, FTW!</p>
<p><i>This comment was originally posted on <a href="http://davidcrow.ca/toronto/7170/make-web-not-war-aka-cant-we-just-get-along#IDComment23160135" rel="nofollow" title="&#8220;&#8220;Make Web, Not War&#8221; aka Can&#8217;t We Just Get Along?&#8221; (<a href="http://davidcrow.ca/" rel="nofollow">http://davidcrow.ca/</a>)&#8221;>David Crow</i></p>
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		<title>By: &#8220;Make Web, Not War&#8221; aka Can&#8217;t We Just Get Along? &#124; DavidCrow.ca</title>
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		<dc:creator>&#8220;Make Web, Not War&#8221; aka Can&#8217;t We Just Get Along? &#124; DavidCrow.ca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 01:47:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] acceptance of PHP as a language and a tool of the web can be seen PHP SDK for Windows Azure. The addition of Java in the Azure [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] acceptance of PHP as a language and a tool of the web can be seen PHP SDK for Windows Azure. The addition of Java in the Azure [...]</p>
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		<title>By: davidcrow</title>
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		<dc:creator>davidcrow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 18:44:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&#8220;Its a lot harder to gain a good reputation than to lose a bad one&#8221; @monkchips #microsoft #whuffie #opensource &lt;a href=&quot;http://bit.ly/4KyC1&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://bit.ly/4KyC1&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;This comment was originally posted on &lt;a href=&quot;http://twitter.com/davidcrow/statuses/1994308348&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Twitter&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Its a lot harder to gain a good reputation than to lose a bad one&#8221; @monkchips #microsoft #whuffie #opensource <a href="http://bit.ly/4KyC1" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/4KyC1</a></p>
<p><i>This comment was originally posted on <a href="http://twitter.com/davidcrow/statuses/1994308348" rel="nofollow">Twitter</a></i></p>
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		<title>By: monkchips</title>
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		<dc:creator>monkchips</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 18:40:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;glassfish interoperability with/through Azure blammo! that&#8217;s the Microsoft keynote. &lt;a href=&quot;http://bit.ly/16eB0P&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://bit.ly/16eB0P&lt;/a&gt; #communityone #azure #cloud #metro&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;This comment was originally posted on &lt;a href=&quot;http://twitter.com/monkchips/statuses/1994268219&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Twitter&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>glassfish interoperability with/through Azure blammo! that&#8217;s the Microsoft keynote. <a href="http://bit.ly/16eB0P" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/16eB0P</a> #communityone #azure #cloud #metro</p>
<p><i>This comment was originally posted on <a href="http://twitter.com/monkchips/statuses/1994268219" rel="nofollow">Twitter</a></i></p>
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		<title>By: ebarroca</title>
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		<dc:creator>ebarroca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 May 2009 19:47:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;worth reading: Wherefore Java at Java One. Microsoft and OSS: Increment or Tipping Point?:&lt;br /&gt;
“The F.. &lt;a href=&quot;http://tinyurl.com/n5sxgc&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://tinyurl.com/n5sxgc&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;This comment was originally posted on &lt;a href=&quot;http://twitter.com/ebarroca/statuses/1974275885&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Twitter&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>worth reading: Wherefore Java at Java One. Microsoft and OSS: Increment or Tipping Point?:<br />
“The F.. <a href="http://tinyurl.com/n5sxgc" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/n5sxgc</a></p>
<p><i>This comment was originally posted on <a href="http://twitter.com/ebarroca/statuses/1974275885" rel="nofollow">Twitter</a></i></p>
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		<title>By: hortovanyi</title>
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		<dc:creator>hortovanyi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 May 2009 05:46:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;@nickHodge wtf .. M$ Keynoting Java One??? &lt;a href=&quot;http://bit.ly/ZYee0&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://bit.ly/ZYee0&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;This comment was originally posted on &lt;a href=&quot;http://twitter.com/hortovanyi/statuses/1969003253&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Twitter&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@nickHodge wtf .. M$ Keynoting Java One??? <a href="http://bit.ly/ZYee0" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/ZYee0</a></p>
<p><i>This comment was originally posted on <a href="http://twitter.com/hortovanyi/statuses/1969003253" rel="nofollow">Twitter</a></i></p>
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		<title>By: Mary Jo Foley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mary Jo Foley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 20:19:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, James. Technically, MS already announced it is supporting Java with Azure. I say &quot;technically&quot; because when I last asked about it, they seemed reticent to admit the extent to which they are doing so. Though they didn&#039;t want this piece of information to be public, they are funding the development of a Java SDK for .Net Services (one of the pieces of Azure). More here:

http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=2504

Mary Jo</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, James. Technically, MS already announced it is supporting Java with Azure. I say &#8220;technically&#8221; because when I last asked about it, they seemed reticent to admit the extent to which they are doing so. Though they didn&#8217;t want this piece of information to be public, they are funding the development of a Java SDK for .Net Services (one of the pieces of Azure). More here:</p>
<p><a href="http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=2504" rel="nofollow">http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=2504</a></p>
<p>Mary Jo</p>
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		<title>By: timanderson</title>
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		<dc:creator>timanderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 15:17:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;speculation on what Microsoft might announce at Java One from @monkchips &lt;a href=&quot;http://is.gd/J7cZ&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://is.gd/J7cZ&lt;/a&gt; (now with URL, apologies!)&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>speculation on what Microsoft might announce at Java One from @monkchips <a href="http://is.gd/J7cZ" rel="nofollow">http://is.gd/J7cZ</a> (now with URL, apologies!)</p>
<p><i>This comment was originally posted on <a href="http://twitter.com/timanderson/statuses/1960653184" rel="nofollow">Twitter</a></i></p>
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