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		<title>By: Note su Hudson e CruiseControl &#171; Software Libero e non solo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Note su Hudson e CruiseControl &#171; Software Libero e non solo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Apr 2009 12:36:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Stefane Fermigier, CEO di Nuxeo, afferma di usare Hudson. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Stefane Fermigier, CEO di Nuxeo, afferma di usare Hudson. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Stefane Fermigier</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stefane Fermigier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Nov 2008 15:51:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, Hudson is absolutely awesome, we use it for all of our projects at Nuxeo.

  S. Fermigier.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, Hudson is absolutely awesome, we use it for all of our projects at Nuxeo.</p>
<p>  S. Fermigier.</p>
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		<title>By: 451 CAOS Theory &#187; 451 CAOS Links 2008.11.28</title>
		<link>http://www.redmonk.com/jgovernor/2008/11/26/what-should-sun-do/comment-page-1/#comment-502613</link>
		<dc:creator>451 CAOS Theory &#187; 451 CAOS Links 2008.11.28</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2008 16:21:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] What Should Sun Do? James Governor, RedMonk [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2008 10:01:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>check &quot;Get behind Sun Ray. &quot; initiative from sun
http://www.sun.com/solutions/virtualization/mvd/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>check &#8220;Get behind Sun Ray. &#8221; initiative from sun<br />
<a href="http://www.sun.com/solutions/virtualization/mvd/" rel="nofollow">http://www.sun.com/solutions/virtualization/mvd/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Stratocaster &#183; What Should Sun Do?</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stratocaster &#183; What Should Sun Do?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Nov 2008 22:14:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I&#8217;m piling on too, with a somewhat different take than Tim Bray, Stephen O&#8217;Grady, James Governor, and Rich Sharples who&#8217;ve all contributed their excellent insights into this [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I&#8217;m piling on too, with a somewhat different take than Tim Bray, Stephen O&#8217;Grady, James Governor, and Rich Sharples who&#8217;ve all contributed their excellent insights into this [...]</p>
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		<title>By: MySQL Employee</title>
		<link>http://www.redmonk.com/jgovernor/2008/11/26/what-should-sun-do/comment-page-1/#comment-502229</link>
		<dc:creator>MySQL Employee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Nov 2008 01:39:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think a lot of this makes sense. But I would not recommend putting Marten in charge of a larger organization than what he&#039;s managing today. 

He has an inability to manage large projects and organizations, just take a look at the problems we&#039;re having with 5.1. His organization is fraught with politics (Drizzl had to happen *outside* our group, and Marten plays favorite by promoting his friends like Zack, even though he was a terrible engineering leader).

Sun needs to focus in on making its existing product sets run well, hold the MySQL team accountable to execution. That&#039;s where we need to start, not by giving people fancy new titles to cover up the chaos.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think a lot of this makes sense. But I would not recommend putting Marten in charge of a larger organization than what he&#8217;s managing today. </p>
<p>He has an inability to manage large projects and organizations, just take a look at the problems we&#8217;re having with 5.1. His organization is fraught with politics (Drizzl had to happen *outside* our group, and Marten plays favorite by promoting his friends like Zack, even though he was a terrible engineering leader).</p>
<p>Sun needs to focus in on making its existing product sets run well, hold the MySQL team accountable to execution. That&#8217;s where we need to start, not by giving people fancy new titles to cover up the chaos.</p>
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		<title>By: Neil Bartlett</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neil Bartlett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 20:27:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, a lot of innovation happens at Sun, but I think Stephen pointed out that perhaps TOO much innovation happens at Sun, leading to wheel-reinvention and the NIH syndrome.

I feel this acutely as an advocate for OSGi, which is still under attack from parts of Sun even though other parts (i.e. Glassfish) have embraced it. But this is not the only example.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, a lot of innovation happens at Sun, but I think Stephen pointed out that perhaps TOO much innovation happens at Sun, leading to wheel-reinvention and the NIH syndrome.</p>
<p>I feel this acutely as an advocate for OSGi, which is still under attack from parts of Sun even though other parts (i.e. Glassfish) have embraced it. But this is not the only example.</p>
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		<title>By: Rich Sharples&#8217; Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; What Sun Should Do</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rich Sharples&#8217; Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; What Sun Should Do</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 20:23:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Java. I&#8217;m part of the Java ecosystem so it&#8217;s important to me. Basically, do what James says: &#8230;, at worst go back to SUNW as a stock [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Java. I&#8217;m part of the Java ecosystem so it&#8217;s important to me. Basically, do what James says: &#8230;, at worst go back to SUNW as a stock [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Dallas Hockley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dallas Hockley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 19:43:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think there&#039;s a piece and opportunity missing in the mix here James.   Back in 2004 at JavaOne we had a remarkable event that was a &quot;Canadian get-together&quot; which had a number of the top dogs back then in the Sun sphere.   I made a comment then that they were the only vendor in existence that had the entire platform in house.   Hardware, Operating system, VM and even on top of that management software, Identity management and more.    That was then.   Now add DTrace, a pile of storage (that wasn&#039;t there then) and I think the marketing of products on that entire platform is started, and it started from grassroots internal to Sun with the Fishworks team.   

I wouldn&#039;t concentrate only on storage, but I&#039;d be looking internally for other broad-thinkers like the Fishworks crew that sees how they can bring the combination of internal expertise, IP and capability into unique, capable and innovative integrated products.   Sun&#039;s always had all the pieces, and has even put them together with their consultants often enough, but turning those efforts into product I think is where it can be truly unique and go far beyond what we&#039;ve seen.  

Unleashing Java into an independent body wouldn&#039;t hurt either, as they still have the bulk of influence and expertise, but I don&#039;t know that is nearly as critical any more.   it&#039;s open enough for anyone that serious about doing things with it.   

It&#039;s the next gen of appliance.   System appliances that take on whole segments of the IT stack.   Lego bricks to build both small infrastructures and Lego blocks to build pieces of clouds if you want to.

IBM is the only other one that comes close, and they need to protect all that Global Services revenue, not commoditize it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think there&#8217;s a piece and opportunity missing in the mix here James.   Back in 2004 at JavaOne we had a remarkable event that was a &#8220;Canadian get-together&#8221; which had a number of the top dogs back then in the Sun sphere.   I made a comment then that they were the only vendor in existence that had the entire platform in house.   Hardware, Operating system, VM and even on top of that management software, Identity management and more.    That was then.   Now add DTrace, a pile of storage (that wasn&#8217;t there then) and I think the marketing of products on that entire platform is started, and it started from grassroots internal to Sun with the Fishworks team.   </p>
<p>I wouldn&#8217;t concentrate only on storage, but I&#8217;d be looking internally for other broad-thinkers like the Fishworks crew that sees how they can bring the combination of internal expertise, IP and capability into unique, capable and innovative integrated products.   Sun&#8217;s always had all the pieces, and has even put them together with their consultants often enough, but turning those efforts into product I think is where it can be truly unique and go far beyond what we&#8217;ve seen.  </p>
<p>Unleashing Java into an independent body wouldn&#8217;t hurt either, as they still have the bulk of influence and expertise, but I don&#8217;t know that is nearly as critical any more.   it&#8217;s open enough for anyone that serious about doing things with it.   </p>
<p>It&#8217;s the next gen of appliance.   System appliances that take on whole segments of the IT stack.   Lego bricks to build both small infrastructures and Lego blocks to build pieces of clouds if you want to.</p>
<p>IBM is the only other one that comes close, and they need to protect all that Global Services revenue, not commoditize it.</p>
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		<title>By: niraj</title>
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		<dc:creator>niraj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 19:41:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Go balls out for WebSphere, WebSphere and Oracle database offload&quot;

To go after websphere and oracle -You need more than technology and talk about free. You need to have a different kind of lock-in. in terms of &quot;One Stop Shop&quot; , &quot;Relationship Mgmt&quot; and Yealy deals. There is a reason Oracle buys a company each month. To cover the full IT Shop.

on opensource: A key thing for success in Complementary business models is Lock in. You give something free to enable a sale elsewhere.The lockin will make sure that the elsewhere is somewhere in your world and not anywhere else. Sun micro did not monetize on java to the extent that it could have - as the elsewhere was anywhere(IBM ,BEA etc).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Go balls out for WebSphere, WebSphere and Oracle database offload&#8221;</p>
<p>To go after websphere and oracle -You need more than technology and talk about free. You need to have a different kind of lock-in. in terms of &#8220;One Stop Shop&#8221; , &#8220;Relationship Mgmt&#8221; and Yealy deals. There is a reason Oracle buys a company each month. To cover the full IT Shop.</p>
<p>on opensource: A key thing for success in Complementary business models is Lock in. You give something free to enable a sale elsewhere.The lockin will make sure that the elsewhere is somewhere in your world and not anywhere else. Sun micro did not monetize on java to the extent that it could have &#8211; as the elsewhere was anywhere(IBM ,BEA etc).</p>
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