Comments on: Three Better Ways To Tell Its not Cloud Computing? http://www.redmonk.com/jgovernor/2008/11/25/three-better-ways-to-tell-its-not-cloud-computing/ An industry analyst blog looking at software ecosystems and convergence Fri, 03 Feb 2012 10:35:40 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: null is not an object » Blog Archive » Cloud Computing + Smart Grids = Smart Clouds http://www.redmonk.com/jgovernor/2008/11/25/three-better-ways-to-tell-its-not-cloud-computing/comment-page-1/#comment-502038 null is not an object » Blog Archive » Cloud Computing + Smart Grids = Smart Clouds Wed, 26 Nov 2008 03:39:46 +0000 http://www.redmonk.com/jgovernor/?p=1679#comment-502038 [...] The discussion about what cloud computing is over at James’ blog is still raging. [...] [...] The discussion about what cloud computing is over at James’ blog is still raging. [...]

]]> By: Irregular Enterprise mobile edition http://www.redmonk.com/jgovernor/2008/11/25/three-better-ways-to-tell-its-not-cloud-computing/comment-page-1/#comment-501914 Irregular Enterprise mobile edition Tue, 25 Nov 2008 17:37:36 +0000 http://www.redmonk.com/jgovernor/?p=1679#comment-501914 [...] for any decision taker. It was for me until I read today's post by James Governor entitled:  Three Better Ways To Tell Its not Cloud Computing? James has been running a series on this topic, attempting to put different angles (mostly [...] [...] for any decision taker. It was for me until I read today’s post by James Governor entitled:  Three Better Ways To Tell Its not Cloud Computing? James has been running a series on this topic, attempting to put different angles (mostly [...]

]]> By: jgovernor http://www.redmonk.com/jgovernor/2008/11/25/three-better-ways-to-tell-its-not-cloud-computing/comment-page-1/#comment-501841 jgovernor Tue, 25 Nov 2008 13:28:27 +0000 http://www.redmonk.com/jgovernor/?p=1679#comment-501841 @zach we tend to think cloud standards, defacto and dejure, are going to be essential underpinnings for a growing market. of course these standards will build on the web. but we need onramps, offramps, identity flow etc. @thebruce i think you make the point perfectly. the tethers are uncut. I like your definition, even if it feels a bit circular "my hypothesis is that if IT Does Matter – it can’t be a cloud." @maisa thanks for the post. i should probably look into the iCloud offering. @zach we tend to think cloud standards, defacto and dejure, are going to be essential underpinnings for a growing market. of course these standards will build on the web. but we need onramps, offramps, identity flow etc.

@thebruce i think you make the point perfectly. the tethers are uncut. I like your definition, even if it feels a bit circular “my hypothesis is that if IT Does Matter – it can’t be a cloud.”

@maisa thanks for the post. i should probably look into the iCloud offering.

]]> By: Maisa http://www.redmonk.com/jgovernor/2008/11/25/three-better-ways-to-tell-its-not-cloud-computing/comment-page-1/#comment-501832 Maisa Tue, 25 Nov 2008 13:07:38 +0000 http://www.redmonk.com/jgovernor/?p=1679#comment-501832 Excellent post! Boy, we read about Cloud Computing lately, won't we? Two often debates on it: - Is anything new? - Security/Privacy It feels good to read about it in a new way. Simply love this whole part: "If you’re over 50 just think “service bureau”. 30 to 49, think “Application Service”, and 20 to 30 “SAAS (Software As A Service)”. If under 20 then cloud is everything you need in your online life - amazon, ebay, facebook, myspace, gmail." Just as easy as you can get! Brilliant! So, again, I believe that Cloud Computing will affect users as they let to. There are many tools/services available and it's up to each one find something to suit a personal/professional need. Keep data in the cloud doesn't necessarily means to drive all your personal content into it. It should be taken as an extra benefit for remote access from any computer. Probably what we all got to benefit the most comes to the great apps available around the web and turning the computer use into a big Web OS:(and in here I'm very into with Webtops - icloud, for instance http://icloud.com/maisa/) instant and free access providing all the tools to create and share content. I personally see it in a very positive way and believe that great improvements will be achieved. Specially about security (all the big companies behind it have A LOT to loose if Cloud Computing doesn't turn into a safe bet). Linked your post on my blog as a reference. Please, if it bothers you in anyway, let me know and I'll make sure to remove it! Maisa. Excellent post!
Boy, we read about Cloud Computing lately, won’t we?
Two often debates on it:
- Is anything new?
- Security/Privacy

It feels good to read about it in a new way. Simply love this whole part:

“If you’re over 50 just think “service bureau”. 30 to 49, think “Application Service”, and 20 to 30 “SAAS (Software As A Service)”. If under 20 then cloud is everything you need in your online life – amazon, ebay, facebook, myspace, gmail.”

Just as easy as you can get! Brilliant!

So, again, I believe that Cloud Computing will affect users as they let to. There are many tools/services available and it’s up to each one find something to suit a personal/professional need.
Keep data in the cloud doesn’t necessarily means to drive all your personal content into it. It should be taken as an extra benefit for remote access from any computer.

Probably what we all got to benefit the most comes to the great apps available around the web and turning the computer use into a big Web OS:(and in here I’m very into with Webtops – icloud, for instance http://icloud.com/maisa/) instant and free access providing all the tools to create and share content.

I personally see it in a very positive way and believe that great improvements will be achieved. Specially about security (all the big companies behind it have A LOT to loose if Cloud Computing doesn’t turn into a safe bet).

Linked your post on my blog as a reference. Please, if it bothers you in anyway, let me know and I’ll make sure to remove it!

Maisa.

]]> By: The Bruce http://www.redmonk.com/jgovernor/2008/11/25/three-better-ways-to-tell-its-not-cloud-computing/comment-page-1/#comment-501823 The Bruce Tue, 25 Nov 2008 12:33:48 +0000 http://www.redmonk.com/jgovernor/?p=1679#comment-501823 The elephant in the room (or the cloud?): What is seriously lacking in any of these points is the discussion of the “transport layer”. Historically we have not had service clouds but rather tethered balloons. The ubiquitous internet was not an effective transport mechanism to deliver services so point-to-point circuits were used to tether balloon services directly to their customers. There were no useable WiFi, broadband, cellular networks. Flash forward to today… those tethers have been cut and the service clouds are now free to soar to anyone, for anyone. Anywhere, anytime service is now a reality and to quote Mr. Carr “IT Doesn’t Matter”. So my hypothesis is that if IT Does Matter – it can’t be a cloud. The elephant in the room (or the cloud?): What is seriously lacking in any of these points is the discussion of the “transport layer”. Historically we have not had service clouds but rather tethered balloons. The ubiquitous internet was not an effective transport mechanism to deliver services so point-to-point circuits were used to tether balloon services directly to their customers. There were no useable WiFi, broadband, cellular networks. Flash forward to today… those tethers have been cut and the service clouds are now free to soar to anyone, for anyone. Anywhere, anytime service is now a reality and to quote Mr. Carr “IT Doesn’t Matter”. So my hypothesis is that if IT Does Matter – it can’t be a cloud.

]]> By: Zach Beauvais http://www.redmonk.com/jgovernor/2008/11/25/three-better-ways-to-tell-its-not-cloud-computing/comment-page-1/#comment-501813 Zach Beauvais Tue, 25 Nov 2008 12:09:53 +0000 http://www.redmonk.com/jgovernor/?p=1679#comment-501813 "Fully cloud-compliant" could be a nightmare of a campaign in future. Just like slapping a 2.0 on the end of any other process makes it suddenly great (office 2.0, marketing 2.0, finance 2.0). Many of the processes and transactions that make business work will require an increasing reliance on "cloud" resources. However, unless there is going to be some sort of "standard," it will be up to the vendor to set out what they mean by "cloud" and the customers to decide whether they buy it. I personally think the "standard" is the web itself, and that any added value applications/services should augment this. “Fully cloud-compliant” could be a nightmare of a campaign in future. Just like slapping a 2.0 on the end of any other process makes it suddenly great (office 2.0, marketing 2.0, finance 2.0).

Many of the processes and transactions that make business work will require an increasing reliance on “cloud” resources. However, unless there is going to be some sort of “standard,” it will be up to the vendor to set out what they mean by “cloud” and the customers to decide whether they buy it.

I personally think the “standard” is the web itself, and that any added value applications/services should augment this.

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