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	<title>Comments on: Meeting Peter Cullen: On Microsoft Privacy Strategy</title>
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		<title>By: Robin Wilton</title>
		<link>http://www.redmonk.com/jgovernor/2008/01/31/meeting-peter-cullen-on-microsoft-privacy-strategy/comment-page-1/#comment-291465</link>
		<dc:creator>Robin Wilton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 11:37:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When Kim Cameron talks about Cardspace, one of the most interesting aspects is what he calls the &#039;reification&#039; of credentials. (Or he calls it &quot;thingifying&quot; if he thinks the audience is a bit thick... ;^)

To my mind, the way in which Cardspace presents a visual metaphor to the user is arguably the most visionary part of it. It&#039;s a concept which I hope continues to extend and find adoption - whether or not that&#039;s in the specific form of Cardspace implementations.

There&#039;s an opportunity for Web 2.n to do a much better job of reifying, to the user, what is happening with their personal data, their personas and their online privacy. Cardspace certainly doesn&#039;t do all that yet, but it starts to show ways in which the problem can be approached.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When Kim Cameron talks about Cardspace, one of the most interesting aspects is what he calls the &#8216;reification&#8217; of credentials. (Or he calls it &#8220;thingifying&#8221; if he thinks the audience is a bit thick&#8230; ;^)</p>
<p>To my mind, the way in which Cardspace presents a visual metaphor to the user is arguably the most visionary part of it. It&#8217;s a concept which I hope continues to extend and find adoption &#8211; whether or not that&#8217;s in the specific form of Cardspace implementations.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s an opportunity for Web 2.n to do a much better job of reifying, to the user, what is happening with their personal data, their personas and their online privacy. Cardspace certainly doesn&#8217;t do all that yet, but it starts to show ways in which the problem can be approached.</p>
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		<title>By: jgovernor</title>
		<link>http://www.redmonk.com/jgovernor/2008/01/31/meeting-peter-cullen-on-microsoft-privacy-strategy/comment-page-1/#comment-291266</link>
		<dc:creator>jgovernor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 08:29:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hey Thomas how are you mate? its been too long its true - but the privacy space has been so depressing of late in the UK what with all the UK government failures coming to light and so on what could i say?

You can expect some more from me on the subject. And by the way, I recommended that Peter get in touch when you start at Gartner. i think that&#039;s the first time I have ever recommended an executive talk to the Borg. ;-)

Re EU vs US we talked a little about regulatory frameworks vs criminal threats as drivers for better data governance. As you know I am am of the opinion that in the UK at least regulatory powers are insufficient to change corporate behaviors.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hey Thomas how are you mate? its been too long its true &#8211; but the privacy space has been so depressing of late in the UK what with all the UK government failures coming to light and so on what could i say?</p>
<p>You can expect some more from me on the subject. And by the way, I recommended that Peter get in touch when you start at Gartner. i think that&#8217;s the first time I have ever recommended an executive talk to the Borg. <img src='http://www.redmonk.com/jgovernor/wp/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Re EU vs US we talked a little about regulatory frameworks vs criminal threats as drivers for better data governance. As you know I am am of the opinion that in the UK at least regulatory powers are insufficient to change corporate behaviors.</p>
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		<title>By: links for 2008-01-31</title>
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		<dc:creator>links for 2008-01-31</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 23:45:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Meeting Peter Cullen: On Microsoft Privacy Strategy Great post from James at Redmonk on data security through a Microsoft lens. Gets to the nub of the issue. Its your data, your identity and should be down to you to own and control your own privacy. (tags: security privacy microsoft data) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Meeting Peter Cullen: On Microsoft Privacy Strategy Great post from James at Redmonk on data security through a Microsoft lens. Gets to the nub of the issue. Its your data, your identity and should be down to you to own and control your own privacy. (tags: security privacy microsoft data) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas Otter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thomas Otter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 20:57:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James,
great to see you picking up on the privacy stuff again. 
Did Peter have much to say on EU v US differences?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James,<br />
great to see you picking up on the privacy stuff again.<br />
Did Peter have much to say on EU v US differences?</p>
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		<title>By: jgovernor</title>
		<link>http://www.redmonk.com/jgovernor/2008/01/31/meeting-peter-cullen-on-microsoft-privacy-strategy/comment-page-1/#comment-290195</link>
		<dc:creator>jgovernor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 18:21:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike - awesome context thanks guy. If you think microsoft.com is &quot;clean&quot; you should check out wikipedia. history didn&#039;t happen there.  Great point about spying on santa!

Pd- word. i love that cartoon. i totally agree with you - and tried to capture that with the phrase &quot;generational shift&quot;

Dan- ah yes the famous Facebook data portability... ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike &#8211; awesome context thanks guy. If you think microsoft.com is &#8220;clean&#8221; you should check out wikipedia. history didn&#8217;t happen there.  Great point about spying on santa!</p>
<p>Pd- word. i love that cartoon. i totally agree with you &#8211; and tried to capture that with the phrase &#8220;generational shift&#8221;</p>
<p>Dan- ah yes the famous Facebook data portability&#8230; <img src='http://www.redmonk.com/jgovernor/wp/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: dan mcweeney</title>
		<link>http://www.redmonk.com/jgovernor/2008/01/31/meeting-peter-cullen-on-microsoft-privacy-strategy/comment-page-1/#comment-289901</link>
		<dc:creator>dan mcweeney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 14:22:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also, you stole a picture but didn&#039;t put it up...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, you stole a picture but didn&#8217;t put it up&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: dan mcweeney</title>
		<link>http://www.redmonk.com/jgovernor/2008/01/31/meeting-peter-cullen-on-microsoft-privacy-strategy/comment-page-1/#comment-289898</link>
		<dc:creator>dan mcweeney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 14:20:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As much as I love OpenID, it is going to take a big vendor to push ( bully? ) people into using distributed authentication systems, maybe some developers really like writing authentication systems, I know I don&#039;t.

However, Joe Average consumer trusts MS so, I think they are probably well positioned to push it but, I don&#039;t see them pushing.  Are they engaging with startups to adopt their solution?  Sun is sending people hardware just for laughs, if MS really wants to get this done and it&#039;s not just a &quot;keeping up with the Joneses,&quot; where is there push?

I would never use CardSpace, there is a Ruby library for it but, I never hear of anyone using it and the page looks mostly dead.  Why use that when I can grab OpenID and not have to deal with MS or a dead OSS project.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As much as I love OpenID, it is going to take a big vendor to push ( bully? ) people into using distributed authentication systems, maybe some developers really like writing authentication systems, I know I don&#8217;t.</p>
<p>However, Joe Average consumer trusts MS so, I think they are probably well positioned to push it but, I don&#8217;t see them pushing.  Are they engaging with startups to adopt their solution?  Sun is sending people hardware just for laughs, if MS really wants to get this done and it&#8217;s not just a &#8220;keeping up with the Joneses,&#8221; where is there push?</p>
<p>I would never use CardSpace, there is a Ruby library for it but, I never hear of anyone using it and the page looks mostly dead.  Why use that when I can grab OpenID and not have to deal with MS or a dead OSS project.</p>
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		<title>By: /pd</title>
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		<dc:creator>/pd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 13:23:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>here  a nice visual of privacy and security

http://ocnorml.org/images/security_fence.jpg

The last line of defence is not the SoX&#039;s line , its the user themselves. In todays era Privacy a lot has to do with user education. for example,  SMugMug has been caught with their pants down. albeit- Don &amp; teamwas very professional about the whole thing. 

http://blogoscoped.com/forum/121864-full.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>here  a nice visual of privacy and security</p>
<p><a href="http://ocnorml.org/images/security_fence.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://ocnorml.org/images/security_fence.jpg</a></p>
<p>The last line of defence is not the SoX&#8217;s line , its the user themselves. In todays era Privacy a lot has to do with user education. for example,  SMugMug has been caught with their pants down. albeit- Don &amp; teamwas very professional about the whole thing. </p>
<p><a href="http://blogoscoped.com/forum/121864-full.html" rel="nofollow">http://blogoscoped.com/forum/121864-full.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Mike Gunderloy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Gunderloy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 12:54:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice overview, and I am happy to see multiple efforts towards user-centered identity management coming along. Two things:

1) Hailstorm (never deployed) was more sweeping than Passport (still in use). Much of the original Hailstorm material has vanished from the web, but http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/features/2001/mar01/03-19hailstorm.mspx offers hints.

2) One facet that distinguishes &quot;permission-based surveillance&quot; a la Twitter, Facebook, MySpace et al is that when we&#039;re doing our own surveilling we get to choose not only how much to share - but whether what we share is even truthful. Thus you see a range in these arenas from completely synthetic personalities (Santa Claus, Jesus Christ) to those who shade the truth about their day by only Twittering selected areas (&quot;look, boss, I&#039;m always working!&quot;) to those who really do let it all hang out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice overview, and I am happy to see multiple efforts towards user-centered identity management coming along. Two things:</p>
<p>1) Hailstorm (never deployed) was more sweeping than Passport (still in use). Much of the original Hailstorm material has vanished from the web, but <a href="http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/features/2001/mar01/03-19hailstorm.mspx" rel="nofollow">http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/features/2001/mar01/03-19hailstorm.mspx</a> offers hints.</p>
<p>2) One facet that distinguishes &#8220;permission-based surveillance&#8221; a la Twitter, Facebook, MySpace et al is that when we&#8217;re doing our own surveilling we get to choose not only how much to share &#8211; but whether what we share is even truthful. Thus you see a range in these arenas from completely synthetic personalities (Santa Claus, Jesus Christ) to those who shade the truth about their day by only Twittering selected areas (&#8220;look, boss, I&#8217;m always working!&#8221;) to those who really do let it all hang out.</p>
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