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	<title>Comments on: Are Poor Applications Better Than Rich Applications?</title>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
		<link>http://www.redmonk.com/jgovernor/2007/05/03/are-poor-applications-better-than-rich-applications/#comment-78049</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 May 2007 10:14:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agreed! Text is great because it's so malleable and searchable. Twitter wouldn't work if it was the only communications service in the world but in the broader context it does. On a side note, I came across &lt;a href="http://www.ogston.com" rel="nofollow"&gt;the Social Publishing Blog&lt;/a&gt; this week - it's bold but has plain text written all over it (pun intended).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed! Text is great because it&#8217;s so malleable and searchable. Twitter wouldn&#8217;t work if it was the only communications service in the world but in the broader context it does. On a side note, I came across <a href="http://www.ogston.com" rel="nofollow">the Social Publishing Blog</a> this week - it&#8217;s bold but has plain text written all over it (pun intended).</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Barr</title>
		<link>http://www.redmonk.com/jgovernor/2007/05/03/are-poor-applications-better-than-rich-applications/#comment-72381</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Barr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 May 2007 07:04:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Couldn't agree more. All I want are the facts, with as little decoration as possible.

Not to mention the fact that the RIAs I have seen don't:

* Expose raw page content for search engines
* Expose URLs suitable for state-preserving bookmarking
* Allow arbitrary text on the page to be selected and then copied
* Allow (as Savio notes) page searching
* Integrate nicely with existing browser shortcut keys  (e.g. why can't I close a Firefox tab with Control-W from within Acrobat)
* Support the use of alternate style sheets for accessibility

These are all features and behaviors that we would almost certainly like to take as given when we use a web browser.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Couldn&#8217;t agree more. All I want are the facts, with as little decoration as possible.</p>
<p>Not to mention the fact that the RIAs I have seen don&#8217;t:</p>
<p>* Expose raw page content for search engines<br />
* Expose URLs suitable for state-preserving bookmarking<br />
* Allow arbitrary text on the page to be selected and then copied<br />
* Allow (as Savio notes) page searching<br />
* Integrate nicely with existing browser shortcut keys  (e.g. why can&#8217;t I close a Firefox tab with Control-W from within Acrobat)<br />
* Support the use of alternate style sheets for accessibility</p>
<p>These are all features and behaviors that we would almost certainly like to take as given when we use a web browser.</p>
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		<title>By: Anne 2.1 &#187; Blog Archive &#187; links for 2007-05-03</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anne 2.1 &#187; Blog Archive &#187; links for 2007-05-03</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2007 23:26:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] James Governor’s Monkchips » Are Poor Applications Better Than Rich Applications? &#8220;But I am quite a fan of poor applications. I don’t read picture books except with my 19 month old. I love delicious. I love twitter.&#8221; (tags: pia ria web apollo silverlight) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] James Governor’s Monkchips » Are Poor Applications Better Than Rich Applications? &#8220;But I am quite a fan of poor applications. I don’t read picture books except with my 19 month old. I love delicious. I love twitter.&#8221; (tags: pia ria web apollo silverlight) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Savio Rodrigues</title>
		<link>http://www.redmonk.com/jgovernor/2007/05/03/are-poor-applications-better-than-rich-applications/#comment-71914</link>
		<dc:creator>Savio Rodrigues</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2007 18:25:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The days of 'Flash idiocy' (your words not mine :-) are still with us to a degree.

I'd much rather be able to use CTRL-F or / with Firefox to find what I'm looking for on a web page (or within text content on a web app) or CTRL-+ to increase text size or mouse gestures to navigate...etc than experience slick media stuff based on Flash.

Disgruntled Flash User :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The days of &#8216;Flash idiocy&#8217; (your words not mine <img src='http://www.redmonk.com/jgovernor/wp/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> are still with us to a degree.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d much rather be able to use CTRL-F or / with Firefox to find what I&#8217;m looking for on a web page (or within text content on a web app) or CTRL-+ to increase text size or mouse gestures to navigate&#8230;etc than experience slick media stuff based on Flash.</p>
<p>Disgruntled Flash User <img src='http://www.redmonk.com/jgovernor/wp/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Mark Cathcart</title>
		<link>http://www.redmonk.com/jgovernor/2007/05/03/are-poor-applications-better-than-rich-applications/#comment-71887</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Cathcart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2007 17:03:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ps. Yes, I have my Windows start bar at the top of the screen. Its hangover from the Edgar editor on VM/CMS R5 and my favorite editor is still Kedit, even on Windows I can produce text and convert to html much quicker than I can with word or anything else. Kedit is a text editor. So I'm a txt guy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ps. Yes, I have my Windows start bar at the top of the screen. Its hangover from the Edgar editor on VM/CMS R5 and my favorite editor is still Kedit, even on Windows I can produce text and convert to html much quicker than I can with word or anything else. Kedit is a text editor. So I&#8217;m a txt guy.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Cathcart</title>
		<link>http://www.redmonk.com/jgovernor/2007/05/03/are-poor-applications-better-than-rich-applications/#comment-71886</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Cathcart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2007 17:00:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is an interesting perspective, but can we be sure this isn't a generational thing? Have there been any tests with people in their late teens to see if they absorb information better if presented in plain text rather than rich text, let alone graphics and animation?

Sure I like text based systems, I worked on 3270 terminals for the first 12-years in IT, I grew-up reading books and only the occasional comic. But that doesn't make me a communications expert with those who are growing up with youtube, flash et al.

There is an internal project at IBM called Bluebird that involves the Samsung T9, you can get your calendar, email et al read to you... its pretty neat. Then theres the ability to reply to email only by voice. Yes, I can think of a million reasons why this can be extremely annoying to the receiver, but its interesting in how it works when it works.

Not that I'm saying thats the answer, I'm just suggesting that text isn't always or even the right way and there are a generation of people for whom visual doesn't equal scroll bars and po(o)p-ups.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is an interesting perspective, but can we be sure this isn&#8217;t a generational thing? Have there been any tests with people in their late teens to see if they absorb information better if presented in plain text rather than rich text, let alone graphics and animation?</p>
<p>Sure I like text based systems, I worked on 3270 terminals for the first 12-years in IT, I grew-up reading books and only the occasional comic. But that doesn&#8217;t make me a communications expert with those who are growing up with youtube, flash et al.</p>
<p>There is an internal project at IBM called Bluebird that involves the Samsung T9, you can get your calendar, email et al read to you&#8230; its pretty neat. Then theres the ability to reply to email only by voice. Yes, I can think of a million reasons why this can be extremely annoying to the receiver, but its interesting in how it works when it works.</p>
<p>Not that I&#8217;m saying thats the answer, I&#8217;m just suggesting that text isn&#8217;t always or even the right way and there are a generation of people for whom visual doesn&#8217;t equal scroll bars and po(o)p-ups.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
		<link>http://www.redmonk.com/jgovernor/2007/05/03/are-poor-applications-better-than-rich-applications/#comment-71884</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2007 16:55:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quote away, my Sandboxing friend. I lifted it myself. ;-)

You make a find point. I'm personally interested in blogging. In relation to blogging, most blogs begin being about projecting the blogger's content, whether it be written or another media. 

What happens along the way, often, is that snippets and little scripts in thrown in here and there, which end up making the blog some sort of index for all the online services the blogger is using. 

They key to make a useful application, rich or poor, is to make it &lt;em&gt;appropriate&lt;/em&gt;. &lt;a href="http://www.scrapblog.com/" rel="nofollow"&gt;Scrapblog&lt;/a&gt; wouldn't get far if it resembled &lt;a href="http://docs.google.com/" rel="nofollow"&gt;Google Docs&lt;/a&gt;.

And I hate referencing Google (as I did in the quoted post), but they really understand that if the objectives of an application are a, b, and c, then there's no need to throw in an additional app that does something else. And in comparison that isn't applicable for Scrapblog.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quote away, my Sandboxing friend. I lifted it myself. <img src='http://www.redmonk.com/jgovernor/wp/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>You make a find point. I&#8217;m personally interested in blogging. In relation to blogging, most blogs begin being about projecting the blogger&#8217;s content, whether it be written or another media. </p>
<p>What happens along the way, often, is that snippets and little scripts in thrown in here and there, which end up making the blog some sort of index for all the online services the blogger is using. </p>
<p>They key to make a useful application, rich or poor, is to make it <em>appropriate</em>. <a href="http://www.scrapblog.com/" rel="nofollow">Scrapblog</a> wouldn&#8217;t get far if it resembled <a href="http://docs.google.com/" rel="nofollow">Google Docs</a>.</p>
<p>And I hate referencing Google (as I did in the quoted post), but they really understand that if the objectives of an application are a, b, and c, then there&#8217;s no need to throw in an additional app that does something else. And in comparison that isn&#8217;t applicable for Scrapblog.</p>
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