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	<title>Comments on: A Note to Steve Rubel&#8217;s eyebrow</title>
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	<link>http://www.redmonk.com/jgovernor/2007/01/17/a-note-to-steve-rubels-eyebrow/</link>
	<description>An industry analyst blog looking at software ecosystems and convergence</description>
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		<title>By: Marshall Kirkpatrick</title>
		<link>http://www.redmonk.com/jgovernor/2007/01/17/a-note-to-steve-rubels-eyebrow/#comment-12772</link>
		<dc:creator>Marshall Kirkpatrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jan 2007 01:03:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Isn't rich media going to kill the pageview in a matter of months anyway?  Glad I work for a video company now :)  Love the pics here btw.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isn&#8217;t rich media going to kill the pageview in a matter of months anyway?  Glad I work for a video company now <img src='http://www.redmonk.com/jgovernor/wp/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  Love the pics here btw.</p>
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		<title>By: Dennis Howlett</title>
		<link>http://www.redmonk.com/jgovernor/2007/01/17/a-note-to-steve-rubels-eyebrow/#comment-11555</link>
		<dc:creator>Dennis Howlett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jan 2007 05:48:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I took Rubel out of my RSS reader not long after he said something like: 'My blog or my employer? No contest, employer wins.' Smacked of hypocrisy. 

I don't know what all the fuss is about. ZDN is trying new business models. Dan's a great guiy but he's gotta trade for his masters and this is one way to do it without incurring fixed costs.

But it begs the question: Do you skew to what the audience wants and so end up in 'lowest common denominator' land or do you push content boundaries, rewarding those who are taking big risks in devoting their time to things that may not be immediately obvious but which carry value over the long term?   

We're miles off getting business models that are fair to all concerned. Click through is one of many possible new media business models. None of which are fully formed. Most of which are not rewarding authors.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I took Rubel out of my RSS reader not long after he said something like: &#8216;My blog or my employer? No contest, employer wins.&#8217; Smacked of hypocrisy. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know what all the fuss is about. ZDN is trying new business models. Dan&#8217;s a great guiy but he&#8217;s gotta trade for his masters and this is one way to do it without incurring fixed costs.</p>
<p>But it begs the question: Do you skew to what the audience wants and so end up in &#8216;lowest common denominator&#8217; land or do you push content boundaries, rewarding those who are taking big risks in devoting their time to things that may not be immediately obvious but which carry value over the long term?   </p>
<p>We&#8217;re miles off getting business models that are fair to all concerned. Click through is one of many possible new media business models. None of which are fully formed. Most of which are not rewarding authors.</p>
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		<title>By: hugh macleod</title>
		<link>http://www.redmonk.com/jgovernor/2007/01/17/a-note-to-steve-rubels-eyebrow/#comment-11548</link>
		<dc:creator>hugh macleod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jan 2007 03:43:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>5 years of blogging later, I'm still uncertain about how the rules of marketing have changed post-Cluetrain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>5 years of blogging later, I&#8217;m still uncertain about how the rules of marketing have changed post-Cluetrain.</p>
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		<title>By: Usher Lieberman</title>
		<link>http://www.redmonk.com/jgovernor/2007/01/17/a-note-to-steve-rubels-eyebrow/#comment-11502</link>
		<dc:creator>Usher Lieberman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jan 2007 17:57:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Keep the pics...something I don't generally have the patience to track down in my own posts (which are scant of late).

Love the irony, you can't make this stuff up.  Edelman should get a harder ride as should Steve...those in glass houses should not cast stones...frankly we shouldn't waste that much time on this though...as long as there's disclosure its up to the reader to filter what's what on their own.  But seriously, pay per click? How is that any different than someone who's running Google AdWords...isn't that person also inclined to write something controversial in order to generate clicks?  

Frankly I find this whole meme irritating.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Keep the pics&#8230;something I don&#8217;t generally have the patience to track down in my own posts (which are scant of late).</p>
<p>Love the irony, you can&#8217;t make this stuff up.  Edelman should get a harder ride as should Steve&#8230;those in glass houses should not cast stones&#8230;frankly we shouldn&#8217;t waste that much time on this though&#8230;as long as there&#8217;s disclosure its up to the reader to filter what&#8217;s what on their own.  But seriously, pay per click? How is that any different than someone who&#8217;s running Google AdWords&#8230;isn&#8217;t that person also inclined to write something controversial in order to generate clicks?  </p>
<p>Frankly I find this whole meme irritating.</p>
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		<title>By: /pd</title>
		<link>http://www.redmonk.com/jgovernor/2007/01/17/a-note-to-steve-rubels-eyebrow/#comment-11494</link>
		<dc:creator>/pd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jan 2007 16:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good Content. Keep the pics flowing.. it tells a thousand words :)_

I think the issue here is that Steve is pointing out that Zdnet is paying per pageview /hits stats. This itself ,is a new business model in emergence. Whereas the other payperpost scenario's are based per post. You blog and you  get a couple of bucks, regardless of viewpoint.  

Having said that,  why are we asking eldeman to render disclosure or every story / project / post ? What is a disclosure ? Does it tell the public the information they need to know ?  or is yet that they just place broiler template in every post ? What is the bar that is being raised and how high ? 

Yes, the Walmart situation was pathetic, that I'll agree.  those are the type of things that we need to know, it the blog a propped up behind or not !!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good Content. Keep the pics flowing.. it tells a thousand words :)_</p>
<p>I think the issue here is that Steve is pointing out that Zdnet is paying per pageview /hits stats. This itself ,is a new business model in emergence. Whereas the other payperpost scenario&#8217;s are based per post. You blog and you  get a couple of bucks, regardless of viewpoint.  </p>
<p>Having said that,  why are we asking eldeman to render disclosure or every story / project / post ? What is a disclosure ? Does it tell the public the information they need to know ?  or is yet that they just place broiler template in every post ? What is the bar that is being raised and how high ? </p>
<p>Yes, the Walmart situation was pathetic, that I&#8217;ll agree.  those are the type of things that we need to know, it the blog a propped up behind or not !!</p>
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