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	<title>Comments on: The Beatles, IBM as a YouTube user. why Mark Cuban is wrong, SOA &#8211; The Movie</title>
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		<title>By: Phil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jul 2008 20:32:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Still, at least the Beatles have finally reached iTunes!

Phil
www.fab4beatles.co.uk</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Still, at least the Beatles have finally reached iTunes!</p>
<p>Phil<br />
<a href="http://www.fab4beatles.co.uk" rel="nofollow">http://www.fab4beatles.co.uk</a></p>
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		<title>By: Luis Villa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Luis Villa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Oct 2006 23:58:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>luis - regarding apple i think you need to look at mobile phones. far more popular than ipods. FAR FAR more popular.
But not standardized and all from the same vendor- buying &#039;a cell phone&#039; doesn&#039;t guarantee me a specific music vendor and specific software suite; buying an iPod does. (Though it looks like DVD Jon is trying to change that.)

I really wish I could agree about people getting wise to the problems caused by DRM, by the way; I just don&#039;t see it happening outside a handful of the digerati. Far more common is this response.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>luis &#8211; regarding apple i think you need to look at mobile phones. far more popular than ipods. FAR FAR more popular.<br />
But not standardized and all from the same vendor- buying &#8216;a cell phone&#8217; doesn&#8217;t guarantee me a specific music vendor and specific software suite; buying an iPod does. (Though it looks like DVD Jon is trying to change that.)</p>
<p>I really wish I could agree about people getting wise to the problems caused by DRM, by the way; I just don&#8217;t see it happening outside a handful of the digerati. Far more common is this response.</p>
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		<title>By: james governor</title>
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		<dc:creator>james governor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Oct 2006 23:06:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>luis - regarding apple i think you need to look at mobile phones. far more popular than ipods. FAR FAR more popular. 

and the stickiness of Fairplay DRM may prove to be a hindrance not a help, as more and more people begin to realise the limitations of the model they have signed up to. like when they try and play one of the tunes they bought on their cool new phone, for example. i don&#039;t think a tied proprietary service and proprietary hardware architecture can provide long term lock in. i really don&#039;t. note complaints about apple&#039;s hardware quality. note slowing growth there. apple will have a good run - but i am not going to bet on proprietary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>luis &#8211; regarding apple i think you need to look at mobile phones. far more popular than ipods. FAR FAR more popular. </p>
<p>and the stickiness of Fairplay DRM may prove to be a hindrance not a help, as more and more people begin to realise the limitations of the model they have signed up to. like when they try and play one of the tunes they bought on their cool new phone, for example. i don&#8217;t think a tied proprietary service and proprietary hardware architecture can provide long term lock in. i really don&#8217;t. note complaints about apple&#8217;s hardware quality. note slowing growth there. apple will have a good run &#8211; but i am not going to bet on proprietary.</p>
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		<title>By: Luis Villa</title>
		<link>http://www.redmonk.com/jgovernor/2006/10/02/the-beatles-ibm-as-a-youtube-user-why-mark-cuban-is-wrong-soa-the-movie/comment-page-1/#comment-1928</link>
		<dc:creator>Luis Villa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Oct 2006 19:58:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Google has measurably better and more usable search than everyone else, though. I don&#039;t see that YouTube has such an edge right now, and surely any usability edge they have (again, I don&#039;t see one) will vanish when they try to monetize with ads.

iTunes, at this point, has no defensibility problem because it is linked to a very sticky pile of DRM, and to the most popular single piece of hardware in the first world (which they&#039;ve kept other windows software out of so far.) If they&#039;d used open standards (like, say, http, HTML and Flash like some companies I can think of ;) then I&#039;d agree they&#039;d have a defensibility problem.

(By the way, that Beatles clip... that is illegal, and the labels will come down hard on it at some point, we all know that, right? :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Google has measurably better and more usable search than everyone else, though. I don&#8217;t see that YouTube has such an edge right now, and surely any usability edge they have (again, I don&#8217;t see one) will vanish when they try to monetize with ads.</p>
<p>iTunes, at this point, has no defensibility problem because it is linked to a very sticky pile of DRM, and to the most popular single piece of hardware in the first world (which they&#8217;ve kept other windows software out of so far.) If they&#8217;d used open standards (like, say, http, HTML and Flash like some companies I can think of <img src='http://www.redmonk.com/jgovernor/wp/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />  then I&#8217;d agree they&#8217;d have a defensibility problem.</p>
<p>(By the way, that Beatles clip&#8230; that is illegal, and the labels will come down hard on it at some point, we all know that, right? <img src='http://www.redmonk.com/jgovernor/wp/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Dennis Howlett</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dennis Howlett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Oct 2006 18:51:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Funny you should say that. I just included a YouTube in my latest post. Nothing commercial, just a nice piece that helps some friends. 

Oh yes - the IBM adds have been watched a total of about 120K times. Assuming they&#039;re not all IBM employees that&#039;s pretty respectable qouldn&#039;t you say?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Funny you should say that. I just included a YouTube in my latest post. Nothing commercial, just a nice piece that helps some friends. </p>
<p>Oh yes &#8211; the IBM adds have been watched a total of about 120K times. Assuming they&#8217;re not all IBM employees that&#8217;s pretty respectable qouldn&#8217;t you say?</p>
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		<title>By: James  Governor</title>
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		<dc:creator>James  Governor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Oct 2006 18:51:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i am not saying google or yahoo or an other won&#039;t purchase YouTube - but that it does have a lot of value, already - without revenues pouring in. 

i don&#039;t know about you Luis, but i remember people saying the same thing about Google until quite recently. all Google can do is throw more servers at the problem.... ;-)

i think Youtube is already pretty darned viral. many people have sent me links. i can&#039;t say that of any other vido service. obviously i am a self-selecting audience of one, but it tells me something folks are pointing the content my way.

&quot;defensible&quot; - that will depend on the execution, obviously, and the discovery of its own adwords equivalent. But i am not writing them off. someone is going to have to do the capex right?

i actually think iTunes suffers from a defensibility problem, to your point. i can see a scenario where is an also ran in five years. 

its all in play - the disruptions are huge. its hard to call the future. but value - there is a lot of value in youtube.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i am not saying google or yahoo or an other won&#8217;t purchase YouTube &#8211; but that it does have a lot of value, already &#8211; without revenues pouring in. </p>
<p>i don&#8217;t know about you Luis, but i remember people saying the same thing about Google until quite recently. all Google can do is throw more servers at the problem&#8230;. <img src='http://www.redmonk.com/jgovernor/wp/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>i think Youtube is already pretty darned viral. many people have sent me links. i can&#8217;t say that of any other vido service. obviously i am a self-selecting audience of one, but it tells me something folks are pointing the content my way.</p>
<p>&#8220;defensible&#8221; &#8211; that will depend on the execution, obviously, and the discovery of its own adwords equivalent. But i am not writing them off. someone is going to have to do the capex right?</p>
<p>i actually think iTunes suffers from a defensibility problem, to your point. i can see a scenario where is an also ran in five years. </p>
<p>its all in play &#8211; the disruptions are huge. its hard to call the future. but value &#8211; there is a lot of value in youtube.</p>
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		<title>By: Luis Villa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Luis Villa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Oct 2006 18:38:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t see what is defensible about that for YouTube, though. The only edge they have over self-hosted video is (1) willingness to spend VC money on bandwidth and (2) potentially easy-to-create advertising- which surely Google, Yahoo, etc., will all be offering.

To put it another way- clearly you&#039;re right that web video is a billion-dollar business. But it seems to me that there is no reason YouTube will dominate that market in 2-3 years like it does now. They just don&#039;t do anything interesting/unique enough, or sticky/network-effect-y enough, to keep them the dominant player in the long term.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t see what is defensible about that for YouTube, though. The only edge they have over self-hosted video is (1) willingness to spend VC money on bandwidth and (2) potentially easy-to-create advertising- which surely Google, Yahoo, etc., will all be offering.</p>
<p>To put it another way- clearly you&#8217;re right that web video is a billion-dollar business. But it seems to me that there is no reason YouTube will dominate that market in 2-3 years like it does now. They just don&#8217;t do anything interesting/unique enough, or sticky/network-effect-y enough, to keep them the dominant player in the long term.</p>
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