Comments on: Crazy Ivan’s Moustache: Sun, OSS everything, and IDE plugin JSRs

By: BPO

BPO — Sun, 09 Jul 2006 23:51:17 +0000

I think Ian's statement is correct...it is too early to say...just the very fact that they have decided to join the "Participation Age" is not enough...only time will tell if Sun is trul able to walk with the rest of the population in the participation age... It appears to me that F/LOSS is reaching a tipping point, or probably already has! The amount of activity in that segment is simply amazing...a page I found that provides a good amount of resources in this regard is http://www.eit.in/sw/free_software/making_money/making_money_from.html , where a number of web references on making money from open source software are discussed...hope this helps, and thanks once again for your blog efforts VV from BPO Database @ http://www.ebpo.in

By: Alex

Alex — Sat, 03 Jun 2006 08:02:55 +0000

Great site, james!

By: james governor

james governor — Thu, 08 Dec 2005 22:48:54 +0000

furthermore Kevin, here is Stephen talking about business models across "free" content http://www.redmonk.com/MT-2.661/mt-comments.cgi?entry_id=1132

By: james governor

james governor — Wed, 07 Dec 2005 22:52:43 +0000

you wrote Sun is dead four years ago and Sun still isn’t dead, but Meta Group is. Come on Kev…

How to make money? I dunno, ask my business partner:
http://www.redmonk.com/sogrady/archives/001132.html

By: Kevin McIsaac

Kevin McIsaac — Sun, 04 Dec 2005 07:46:08 +0000

James, I’d really like to understand why you think Sun’s open sourcing strategy makes sense. I mean
1. How does this strategy play out?
2. How does it improve Sun’s current situation (i.e. static revenues and marginal profits) and
3. What evidence do you have that Sun can execute on a software strategy given their poor track record.

I stick by the title of my 2001 article, written while at META, that “Sun is the next digital”.

By: Barton Ioana

Barton Ioana — Sat, 03 Dec 2005 05:02:58 +0000

As an independent developer, I think Sun does a great job working with the community – that’s what the JCP *is*, after all. I love how Solaris is now open to the community, I love that they picked up Postgres rather than going proprietary. And as for IDE’s, let’s get Eclipse to the JCP table – I’m tired of hearing about how great Eclipse is at community, so long as you give up your work to adopt theirs. The Eclipse bureaucracy is going to collapse under its own weight in my opinion.

By: Ian Skerrett

Ian Skerrett — Sat, 03 Dec 2005 00:04:29 +0000

James,

I really don’t mean for this to be an Eclipse vs NetBeans discussion. I hope it a discussion on how to build communities.

My observation is that Sun has been focused on downloads. My point is that if they get other vendors to talk about and use their open source projects it increases the volume.

For example, look at JBoss or Apache. Having HP talk about JBoss, means it is not just the JBoss guys talking. There are tons of examples of software vendors using and promoting Apache projects. From your post it looks like Sun is getting vendors to talk about Solaris; that is great!

Communities come from other people doing the talking. One vendor doing the talking limits the conversation.

Just my 2 cents.