Comments on: Oracle Siebel: time for users to pull the trigger on SOA governance http://www.redmonk.com/jgovernor/2005/09/14/oracle-siebel-time-for-users-to-pull-the-trigger-on-soa-governance/ An industry analyst blog looking at software ecosystems and convergence Fri, 03 Feb 2012 10:35:40 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: James Governor http://www.redmonk.com/jgovernor/2005/09/14/oracle-siebel-time-for-users-to-pull-the-trigger-on-soa-governance/comment-page-1/#comment-548 James Governor Mon, 26 Sep 2005 18:35:12 +0000 http://www.redmonk.com/jgovernor/wp/?p=345#comment-548 i am all ears miko. how/when to proceed? i am all ears miko. how/when to proceed?

]]> By: miko http://www.redmonk.com/jgovernor/2005/09/14/oracle-siebel-time-for-users-to-pull-the-trigger-on-soa-governance/comment-page-1/#comment-547 miko Mon, 19 Sep 2005 22:44:41 +0000 http://www.redmonk.com/jgovernor/wp/?p=345#comment-547 I like this idea--another facet of this could be the establishment of a CRM best practices Blueprint within the SOA Adoption Blueprint Technical Committee at OASIS... Interesting stuff, and certainly very timely... I like this idea–another facet of this could be the establishment of a CRM best practices Blueprint within the SOA Adoption Blueprint Technical Committee at OASIS…

Interesting stuff, and certainly very timely…

]]> By: James Governor http://www.redmonk.com/jgovernor/2005/09/14/oracle-siebel-time-for-users-to-pull-the-trigger-on-soa-governance/comment-page-1/#comment-546 James Governor Mon, 19 Sep 2005 19:07:34 +0000 http://www.redmonk.com/jgovernor/wp/?p=345#comment-546 well said christian. i tend to think its important to take some independent positions/create leverage points against ERP dominance. How many SAP customers truly feel in control of their own destiny well said christian. i tend to think its important to take some independent positions/create leverage points against ERP dominance.

How many SAP customers truly feel in control of their own destiny

]]> By: Christian Franklin http://www.redmonk.com/jgovernor/2005/09/14/oracle-siebel-time-for-users-to-pull-the-trigger-on-soa-governance/comment-page-1/#comment-545 Christian Franklin Thu, 15 Sep 2005 12:29:37 +0000 http://www.redmonk.com/jgovernor/wp/?p=345#comment-545 All very good points that persons leading IT organizations need to sort out... I have this sordid opinion that you either get or 'buy in' to SOA and start architecting for standards-based computing or, you follow the lead of your ERP vendor. Governance and business alignment should be part of the IT organization fabric. IT needs to maintain a vigilant eye on vendor relationships add real value or lock in. All very good points that persons leading IT organizations need to sort out… I have this sordid opinion that you either get or ‘buy in’ to SOA and start architecting for standards-based computing or, you follow the lead of your ERP vendor. Governance and business alignment should be part of the IT organization fabric. IT needs to maintain a vigilant eye on vendor relationships add real value or lock in.

]]> By: Dennis Howlett http://www.redmonk.com/jgovernor/2005/09/14/oracle-siebel-time-for-users-to-pull-the-trigger-on-soa-governance/comment-page-1/#comment-544 Dennis Howlett Thu, 15 Sep 2005 08:16:38 +0000 http://www.redmonk.com/jgovernor/wp/?p=345#comment-544 Hang on, forgot - MSFT could jump in and acquire SAP...if it could get a deal past regulators. Hang on, forgot – MSFT could jump in and acquire SAP…if it could get a deal past regulators.

]]> By: Dennis Howlett http://www.redmonk.com/jgovernor/2005/09/14/oracle-siebel-time-for-users-to-pull-the-trigger-on-soa-governance/comment-page-1/#comment-543 Dennis Howlett Thu, 15 Sep 2005 07:22:56 +0000 http://www.redmonk.com/jgovernor/wp/?p=345#comment-543 Isn't this obvious? And while you're at it, what about SAP/Siebel in all of this? They have many, many joint customers. How does that pan out? Replacement in the face of uncertainty? Larry parachuting in and offering the database as an IBM replacement - FOC at first? Another scenario, SAP now says we can remove the uncertainty in a quick and (relatively) painless way. And while we're at it, Netweaver will solve the SOA problem. Assuming you are a SAP/Siebel customer who hasn't already been courted by IBM/TIBCO etc and placed its bets accordingly. Like in telco, energy and financial services. This is a different play methinks. And one that will be played out between SAP and Oracle with IBM etc standing by to pick up the pieces. Either way, the idea of SOA governance does have resonance. Isn’t this obvious? And while you’re at it, what about SAP/Siebel in all of this? They have many, many joint customers. How does that pan out? Replacement in the face of uncertainty? Larry parachuting in and offering the database as an IBM replacement – FOC at first?

Another scenario, SAP now says we can remove the uncertainty in a quick and (relatively) painless way. And while we’re at it, Netweaver will solve the SOA problem.

Assuming you are a SAP/Siebel customer who hasn’t already been courted by IBM/TIBCO etc and placed its bets accordingly. Like in telco, energy and financial services.

This is a different play methinks. And one that will be played out between SAP and Oracle with IBM etc standing by to pick up the pieces.

Either way, the idea of SOA governance does have resonance.

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