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	<title>Comments on: IBM Software Group: The Baby Eating Starts Here</title>
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		<title>By: jgovernor</title>
		<link>http://www.redmonk.com/jgovernor/2005/04/21/ibm-software-group-the-baby-eating-starts-here/comment-page-1/#comment-12048</link>
		<dc:creator>jgovernor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jan 2007 09:44:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i must have replied to this at the time - perhaps directly. i have had conversations with senior execs in IGS from the BCS that said just that.... that technology doesnt really matter. i think things have changed a bit but its a position i find wrongheaded when it comes from an IBMer</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i must have replied to this at the time &#8211; perhaps directly. i have had conversations with senior execs in IGS from the BCS that said just that&#8230;. that technology doesnt really matter. i think things have changed a bit but its a position i find wrongheaded when it comes from an IBMer</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Higgins</title>
		<link>http://www.redmonk.com/jgovernor/2005/04/21/ibm-software-group-the-baby-eating-starts-here/comment-page-1/#comment-211</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Higgins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 May 2005 22:44:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can you please qualify your remark about IGS:

&quot;people that think technology doesn&#039;t matter (my big beef with IGS... of course technology matters)&quot;

IGS has approximately 180,000 employees worldwide.  Some of these employees work in business consulting and business transformation and are less concerned with technology than they are with business strategy and business processes.  There are also many IGS employees whose purpose in life is to write custom software for clients, migrate applications and hardware to more modern platforms, and design and manage complex data centers.  Do you think these people think IT doesn&#039;t matter?

Even the aforementioned executives in BCS are very aware of how IT can help companies achieve strategic goals and optimize business processes.

If anything, Global Services is indeed eager to shift its image from that of a pure IT services company to a business *and* IT services firm.  Hence the &quot;The Other IBM&quot; marketing campaign.

But IT is itegral to everything we think about and do.  Your comment about IGS saying technology doesn&#039;t matter completely baffles me.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can you please qualify your remark about IGS:</p>
<p>&#8220;people that think technology doesn&#8217;t matter (my big beef with IGS&#8230; of course technology matters)&#8221;</p>
<p>IGS has approximately 180,000 employees worldwide.  Some of these employees work in business consulting and business transformation and are less concerned with technology than they are with business strategy and business processes.  There are also many IGS employees whose purpose in life is to write custom software for clients, migrate applications and hardware to more modern platforms, and design and manage complex data centers.  Do you think these people think IT doesn&#8217;t matter?</p>
<p>Even the aforementioned executives in BCS are very aware of how IT can help companies achieve strategic goals and optimize business processes.</p>
<p>If anything, Global Services is indeed eager to shift its image from that of a pure IT services company to a business *and* IT services firm.  Hence the &#8220;The Other IBM&#8221; marketing campaign.</p>
<p>But IT is itegral to everything we think about and do.  Your comment about IGS saying technology doesn&#8217;t matter completely baffles me.</p>
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		<title>By: Koranteng Ofosu-Amaah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Koranteng Ofosu-Amaah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Apr 2005 05:53:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting that Bill mentioned Ryanair, since the following story gave cause for much head-scratching on Friday ;-)

Assault on batteries

The budget airline Ryanair today took its no-frills approach to new heights by banning its staff from charging their mobile phones at work. In justifying a move likely to underline its Scrooge-like image, Europe&#039;s largest discount airline said it did not believe using a mobile phone charger at work was acceptable.

oh well... back to lurk mode...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting that Bill mentioned Ryanair, since the following story gave cause for much head-scratching on Friday <img src='http://www.redmonk.com/jgovernor/wp/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Assault on batteries</p>
<p>The budget airline Ryanair today took its no-frills approach to new heights by banning its staff from charging their mobile phones at work. In justifying a move likely to underline its Scrooge-like image, Europe&#8217;s largest discount airline said it did not believe using a mobile phone charger at work was acceptable.</p>
<p>oh well&#8230; back to lurk mode&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Bill de hÓra</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill de hÓra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Apr 2005 01:35:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem for any IT services or product company is that the business models are predicated on conserving complexity. Cringely, bless him, nailed this in a roundabout way when he pointed what made the big SIs weak were their dependency on head count and that consequently outsourcing delivery to India was tactic with a shelf-life problem.  

Simplicity, transparency and adaptability are the scarce resources in the enteprise. Any technology that fosters those properties is by definition disruptive. Technical and architect types frame the debate against the technology as &#039;that won&#039;t X&#039;, for some X or another, but technology is not the bottleneck. With the exception of an adequate Grid stack, there&#039;s cheap usable software technology like no other time before. It&#039;s effectively on tap.

Really the core disruptions have to be in the business and operating models - how you get paid and how you deliver. 

One of my favourite companies are Ryan Air. They based their models on South West Airlines and effectively turned the industry in Europe on its head (just like South West did in the US). Aer Lingus, the national Irish carrier,  nearly went to the wall before management realized that moving up the cost ladder wasn&#039;t viable and adjusted their operations accordingly. I don&#039;t see the corrsponding models coming through for the IT industry, certainly not in the spaces you&#039;re talking about. With two notable exceptions, Salesforce and Basecamp, all the Web2.0 plays are mass-consumer. Even Collabnet seems like an optimized way of doing the same old thing. The open source in a box plays are not sufficiently disruptive and they&#039;re in danger of failing if they think the game is making OSS enterprise worthy. The game is to redefine what consitutes enterprise worthy and break the models.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem for any IT services or product company is that the business models are predicated on conserving complexity. Cringely, bless him, nailed this in a roundabout way when he pointed what made the big SIs weak were their dependency on head count and that consequently outsourcing delivery to India was tactic with a shelf-life problem.  </p>
<p>Simplicity, transparency and adaptability are the scarce resources in the enteprise. Any technology that fosters those properties is by definition disruptive. Technical and architect types frame the debate against the technology as &#8216;that won&#8217;t X&#8217;, for some X or another, but technology is not the bottleneck. With the exception of an adequate Grid stack, there&#8217;s cheap usable software technology like no other time before. It&#8217;s effectively on tap.</p>
<p>Really the core disruptions have to be in the business and operating models &#8211; how you get paid and how you deliver. </p>
<p>One of my favourite companies are Ryan Air. They based their models on South West Airlines and effectively turned the industry in Europe on its head (just like South West did in the US). Aer Lingus, the national Irish carrier,  nearly went to the wall before management realized that moving up the cost ladder wasn&#8217;t viable and adjusted their operations accordingly. I don&#8217;t see the corrsponding models coming through for the IT industry, certainly not in the spaces you&#8217;re talking about. With two notable exceptions, Salesforce and Basecamp, all the Web2.0 plays are mass-consumer. Even Collabnet seems like an optimized way of doing the same old thing. The open source in a box plays are not sufficiently disruptive and they&#8217;re in danger of failing if they think the game is making OSS enterprise worthy. The game is to redefine what consitutes enterprise worthy and break the models.</p>
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		<title>By: anon</title>
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		<dc:creator>anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Apr 2005 18:39:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No dogma at IBM? No cathedral at IBM? IBM culture has such features too and they are older, more subtle and more effective than at new comers like M$FT. For example, IBM is infested by a large and powerful network of Scottish Rite Free Masons, that are technical quacks and political radicals, dangerous warmongers, that think that a nice little war once in a while is good for business. etc. This covert network in IBM does tolerate other views as long as such views do not challenge theirs. Other corporations infested with such networks are EDS and the pre-Enron Andersen Consulting, just to name a few. The IT industry is riddled with covert networks. I have found them everywhere in North America over the 30+ years that I worked in this industry. These networks overlap and vary from extreme quackery (e.g., believing in little green martians) to the big boys (e.g., military intelligence). If you want to look at *culture* in the IT industry, you must consider the covert networks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No dogma at IBM? No cathedral at IBM? IBM culture has such features too and they are older, more subtle and more effective than at new comers like M$FT. For example, IBM is infested by a large and powerful network of Scottish Rite Free Masons, that are technical quacks and political radicals, dangerous warmongers, that think that a nice little war once in a while is good for business. etc. This covert network in IBM does tolerate other views as long as such views do not challenge theirs. Other corporations infested with such networks are EDS and the pre-Enron Andersen Consulting, just to name a few. The IT industry is riddled with covert networks. I have found them everywhere in North America over the 30+ years that I worked in this industry. These networks overlap and vary from extreme quackery (e.g., believing in little green martians) to the big boys (e.g., military intelligence). If you want to look at *culture* in the IT industry, you must consider the covert networks.</p>
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		<title>By: Koranteng Ofosu-Amaah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Koranteng Ofosu-Amaah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Apr 2005 00:43:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just ego-surfing here and noticed this post...

Thanks for the insight... and yes the culture ostensibly is great and tolerates the diversity of a bazaar.

That being said, I&#039;d note that there are many who feel like &quot;prophets in the wilderness&quot; and occasionally I do; or maybe it&#039;s simply that not everyone knows how to play the game... 

By the way, Blogger in its infinite wisdom, has disappeared my REST intervention post into the ether... If you want to see what James was pointing at... try this &lt;a href=&quot;http://koranteng.blogspot.com/2005_03_01_koranteng_archive.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://koranteng.blogspot.com/2005_03_01_koranteng_archive.html&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just ego-surfing here and noticed this post&#8230;</p>
<p>Thanks for the insight&#8230; and yes the culture ostensibly is great and tolerates the diversity of a bazaar.</p>
<p>That being said, I&#8217;d note that there are many who feel like &#8220;prophets in the wilderness&#8221; and occasionally I do; or maybe it&#8217;s simply that not everyone knows how to play the game&#8230; </p>
<p>By the way, Blogger in its infinite wisdom, has disappeared my REST intervention post into the ether&#8230; If you want to see what James was pointing at&#8230; try this <a href="http://koranteng.blogspot.com/2005_03_01_koranteng_archive.html" rel="nofollow">http://koranteng.blogspot.com/2005_03_01_koranteng_archive.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Ludovic</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ludovic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Apr 2005 23:25:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Got a headache now!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Got a headache now!</p>
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