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	<title>Comments on: Creating The Contribution Society</title>
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		<title>By: Mike Chitty</title>
		<link>http://www.redmonk.com/jgovernor/2005/03/01/creating-the-contribution-society/comment-page-1/#comment-542199</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Chitty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 09:41:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agree with much of this sentiment - apart from the opening.  If we really understood our self interest we would own and consume far less.  The problem is not self interest - it is our poor understanding of it and what flows as a consequence of pursuing our self interest &#039;poorly understood&#039;.
Once we have properly negotiated our self interest we may choose to act very differently.  Especially if we come to believe that &#039;givers gain&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agree with much of this sentiment &#8211; apart from the opening.  If we really understood our self interest we would own and consume far less.  The problem is not self interest &#8211; it is our poor understanding of it and what flows as a consequence of pursuing our self interest &#8216;poorly understood&#8217;.<br />
Once we have properly negotiated our self interest we may choose to act very differently.  Especially if we come to believe that &#8216;givers gain&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Grisanzio</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Grisanzio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 15:22:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agree totally. In fact, working in open source communities these last few years (and even in the scientific community before that), all this reminds me of my history classes in college. I took a lot of Native American Indian classes, and some of those cultures were based on the concept of giving -- not owning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agree totally. In fact, working in open source communities these last few years (and even in the scientific community before that), all this reminds me of my history classes in college. I took a lot of Native American Indian classes, and some of those cultures were based on the concept of giving &#8212; not owning.</p>
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		<title>By: Frymaster</title>
		<link>http://www.redmonk.com/jgovernor/2005/03/01/creating-the-contribution-society/comment-page-1/#comment-463215</link>
		<dc:creator>Frymaster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 15:02:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An oldie, but a goodie, huh? This pre-dates Clay Shirky&#039;s Here Comes Everybody and the whole &#039;national bender&#039; meme, so this comment may be a bit awkward, but...

That thought that we just numbed ourselves with TV for the past 4 decades got me thinking about how that really was the basis for consumer culture. So I&#039;ve been using the term &quot;producer culture&quot; in much the same way you&#039;re talking about Contribution Society. 

Couper les cheveaux en quatre? Bien sur.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An oldie, but a goodie, huh? This pre-dates Clay Shirky&#8217;s Here Comes Everybody and the whole &#8216;national bender&#8217; meme, so this comment may be a bit awkward, but&#8230;</p>
<p>That thought that we just numbed ourselves with TV for the past 4 decades got me thinking about how that really was the basis for consumer culture. So I&#8217;ve been using the term &#8220;producer culture&#8221; in much the same way you&#8217;re talking about Contribution Society. </p>
<p>Couper les cheveaux en quatre? Bien sur.</p>
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		<title>By: James Governor</title>
		<link>http://www.redmonk.com/jgovernor/2005/03/01/creating-the-contribution-society/comment-page-1/#comment-142</link>
		<dc:creator>James Governor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Mar 2005 23:39:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>cheers Gus. like minds
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>cheers Gus. like minds</p>
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		<title>By: Gus</title>
		<link>http://www.redmonk.com/jgovernor/2005/03/01/creating-the-contribution-society/comment-page-1/#comment-141</link>
		<dc:creator>Gus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Mar 2005 10:27:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, James,

I jumped over here from slacktivist. Basically, I agree with you; while copyright, patent, trademark and similar &quot;intellectual property&quot; laws were originally designed to protect individual contributions to society, they have been coopted as ways to steal from genuinely creative folks in the name of profit. In many cases today, the people who actually created the works cannot do what they want because some corporation owns part or all of the copyright.

The new edition of Utne talks about this in depth, especially in relation to how South American govts and artists are trying to buck the corporate tide by using more shareware, &quot;commons&quot; licenses, etc.

Bob, what you say is true in theory. There are certainly quite a few ethical wealthy people who DO make great contributions to society, but in practice a lot of wealth sits in the hands of people who got their money by taking from society, by manipulating people, and by playing what amount to legal shell games. To them, what they own is simply a tool for amassing greater wealth and power, not one for giving back to the community that made their wealth possible. Although sometimes they do give to other people, their intent is anything but generous.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, James,</p>
<p>I jumped over here from slacktivist. Basically, I agree with you; while copyright, patent, trademark and similar &#8220;intellectual property&#8221; laws were originally designed to protect individual contributions to society, they have been coopted as ways to steal from genuinely creative folks in the name of profit. In many cases today, the people who actually created the works cannot do what they want because some corporation owns part or all of the copyright.</p>
<p>The new edition of Utne talks about this in depth, especially in relation to how South American govts and artists are trying to buck the corporate tide by using more shareware, &#8220;commons&#8221; licenses, etc.</p>
<p>Bob, what you say is true in theory. There are certainly quite a few ethical wealthy people who DO make great contributions to society, but in practice a lot of wealth sits in the hands of people who got their money by taking from society, by manipulating people, and by playing what amount to legal shell games. To them, what they own is simply a tool for amassing greater wealth and power, not one for giving back to the community that made their wealth possible. Although sometimes they do give to other people, their intent is anything but generous.</p>
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		<title>By: bob</title>
		<link>http://www.redmonk.com/jgovernor/2005/03/01/creating-the-contribution-society/comment-page-1/#comment-140</link>
		<dc:creator>bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Mar 2005 02:55:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t you realize that what you own is a function of what you contribute?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t you realize that what you own is a function of what you contribute?</p>
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