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		<title>By: Duane Nickull</title>
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		<dc:creator>Duane Nickull</dc:creator>
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		<description>Helping clients with their problems - that&#039;s just crazy talk!!  Isn&#039;t there more money to be made in consulting?  After all, you cannot spell &quot;consult&quot; without concatenating the terms &quot;con: and &quot;insult&quot;.  

;-)

I love you guys!!!! Keep up the good fight!!!!

duane</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Helping clients with their problems &#8211; that&#8217;s just crazy talk!!  Isn&#8217;t there more money to be made in consulting?  After all, you cannot spell &#8220;consult&#8221; without concatenating the terms &#8220;con: and &#8220;insult&#8221;.  </p>
<p> <img src='http://www.redmonk.com/jgovernor/wp/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I love you guys!!!! Keep up the good fight!!!!</p>
<p>duane</p>
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		<title>By: Kaka28547</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kaka28547</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Jun 2006 09:16:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not much on my mind. I don&#039;t care. I&#039;ve just been letting everything happen without me , but shrug. Whatever. I feel like a void.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not much on my mind. I don&#8217;t care. I&#8217;ve just been letting everything happen without me , but shrug. Whatever. I feel like a void.</p>
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		<title>By: People Over Process</title>
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		<dc:creator>People Over Process</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Feb 2006 02:53:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;I&#039;m Really Not This Dull, or, Irons in the Fire&lt;/strong&gt;

My posting rate has been abysmal for the past week or so, both here and on my other blog. Here, dear readers, is a formal apology. I&#039;ve been drinking from the RedMonk firehose, and there hasn&#039;t been much chance to...
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>I&#8217;m Really Not This Dull, or, Irons in the Fire</strong></p>
<p>My posting rate has been abysmal for the past week or so, both here and on my other blog. Here, dear readers, is a formal apology. I&#8217;ve been drinking from the RedMonk firehose, and there hasn&#8217;t been much chance to&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Collins</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon Collins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Feb 2006 01:54:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>re: your answer to &quot;how do you make money?&quot; I sort of agree but I sort of disagree, and in a sort of big way ;-)

My background is in consultancy, which is essentially a resource-constrained business. Like it or lump it, utilisation, aka &quot;bums on seats&quot;, is a (the?) major measure of success in a human-constrained, consultancy only based model. It becomes very difficult to get very rich out of being a consultant. Sure, you can put your rates up so that you can become quite well off as an individual; alternatively you can own a consultancy company - the consultants get paid, you get the profits. Either way, you are ultimately resource constrained.

A second way of making money is on a per-license basis. In this way, having produced a creative work, the only limitation is based on the number of people that want to buy it. While it is a perfectly valid approach to release information and reports for nothing (indeed we do it too), it is equally valid to want to gain revenue for a work. Ask any musician. If you choose not to, that&#039;s fair enough, but just because you don&#039;t want to charge, that doesn&#039;t mean people aren&#039;t prepared to pay.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>re: your answer to &#8220;how do you make money?&#8221; I sort of agree but I sort of disagree, and in a sort of big way <img src='http://www.redmonk.com/jgovernor/wp/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>My background is in consultancy, which is essentially a resource-constrained business. Like it or lump it, utilisation, aka &#8220;bums on seats&#8221;, is a (the?) major measure of success in a human-constrained, consultancy only based model. It becomes very difficult to get very rich out of being a consultant. Sure, you can put your rates up so that you can become quite well off as an individual; alternatively you can own a consultancy company &#8211; the consultants get paid, you get the profits. Either way, you are ultimately resource constrained.</p>
<p>A second way of making money is on a per-license basis. In this way, having produced a creative work, the only limitation is based on the number of people that want to buy it. While it is a perfectly valid approach to release information and reports for nothing (indeed we do it too), it is equally valid to want to gain revenue for a work. Ask any musician. If you choose not to, that&#8217;s fair enough, but just because you don&#8217;t want to charge, that doesn&#8217;t mean people aren&#8217;t prepared to pay.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug K</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doug K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jan 2006 07:13:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>well, I&#039;m in Denver, but not dead yet.. 

Couldn&#039;t agree more with the assessment of Analyst Business As It Is Done Now. I&#039;ve monitored the analyst firm predictions for the past decade or so in my specialities (data warehousing, EAI, now SOA) and they haven&#039;t been right yet. Add to that the pay-to-play aspect, and it&#039;s all just a kind of expensive game. 

I still don&#039;t see how anyone outside of an elite few can  make a living from open-source coding (or analysis ;-) Before the handover of their database to MySQL, SAP had a hundred developers on staff for an open-source database. The rationale was that it was a way for their customers to avoid paying the Oracle premium, so it supported their business. That made sense, but I wonder where those developers are now ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well, I&#8217;m in Denver, but not dead yet.. </p>
<p>Couldn&#8217;t agree more with the assessment of Analyst Business As It Is Done Now. I&#8217;ve monitored the analyst firm predictions for the past decade or so in my specialities (data warehousing, EAI, now SOA) and they haven&#8217;t been right yet. Add to that the pay-to-play aspect, and it&#8217;s all just a kind of expensive game. </p>
<p>I still don&#8217;t see how anyone outside of an elite few can  make a living from open-source coding (or analysis <img src='http://www.redmonk.com/jgovernor/wp/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' />  Before the handover of their database to MySQL, SAP had a hundred developers on staff for an open-source database. The rationale was that it was a way for their customers to avoid paying the Oracle premium, so it supported their business. That made sense, but I wonder where those developers are now ?</p>
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		<title>By: Gary Barnett</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gary Barnett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Apr 2005 01:44:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jimbo,

Lovely. What the hell were you going on about in the first bit though?

Love n Hugs, G</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jimbo,</p>
<p>Lovely. What the hell were you going on about in the first bit though?</p>
<p>Love n Hugs, G</p>
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		<title>By: Gary Barnett</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gary Barnett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Apr 2005 01:44:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jimbo,

OK piece, I thought. Although you could have expressed your idea in 50 words!

Love n Hugs, G</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jimbo,</p>
<p>OK piece, I thought. Although you could have expressed your idea in 50 words!</p>
<p>Love n Hugs, G</p>
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		<title>By: Adrian Trenholm</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adrian Trenholm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Feb 2005 16:40:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is some overlap with design: a designer has to have a portfolio, why not an analyst?  I guess the difference is in the CC licence.  But a lot of designers include CC designs in their portfolio, eg CSS Zen Garden.  Designers who participate are not saying &quot;buy that design I did for the Garden&quot;, they are saying (apart from it just being a celebration of the craft of CSS web design) &quot;buy my capacity to design for you in future.&quot; 
 
I am amazed that people continue to ask the &quot;but how will you make money?&quot; question.
 
Key concepts for me are that clients do not buy you &quot;thoughts&quot;, they invest in your &quot;capacity to think&quot; and that chemistry between supplier and client is getting more and more important.  I just did a bit of supplier selection consulting - clearly, we were not buying what the suppliers had done, but what they had the potential to do for the project in future. 
 
Chemistry was so important in that process.  The buyer was not buying a design (or heaven forbid a &quot;solution&quot;) from the supplier, not even &quot;design services&quot; in isolation.  They were setting up a relationship, into which both sides will put creativity and technical knowledge, out of which an end product will come.  And open source stuff was what convinced the buyer about which relationship to continue.
 
Sure you won&#039;t make money off the CC stuff directly, but putting your stuff out there, open source, is a celebration of what it is you do and a sign of your understanding of the how business is moving right now.  It&#039;s a sign of your confidence in yourself, in your capacity to do great work in the future.  That has to have an appeal to clients.  And open source is rooted in relationships, which is what I think forward thinking clients want.
 
That kind of thinking appears to work.  I saw a survey which suggested that programmers who have contributed to open source projects earn 20% more than those who haven&#039;t.  Oh, there is evidence to the contrary, too.  Someone did a PhD in which they worked out that senior businessmen and women have historically placed more stock in the advice they pay for than advice that comes free, even if the paid for advice is a clearly inferior.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is some overlap with design: a designer has to have a portfolio, why not an analyst?  I guess the difference is in the CC licence.  But a lot of designers include CC designs in their portfolio, eg CSS Zen Garden.  Designers who participate are not saying &#8220;buy that design I did for the Garden&#8221;, they are saying (apart from it just being a celebration of the craft of CSS web design) &#8220;buy my capacity to design for you in future.&#8221; </p>
<p>I am amazed that people continue to ask the &#8220;but how will you make money?&#8221; question.</p>
<p>Key concepts for me are that clients do not buy you &#8220;thoughts&#8221;, they invest in your &#8220;capacity to think&#8221; and that chemistry between supplier and client is getting more and more important.  I just did a bit of supplier selection consulting &#8211; clearly, we were not buying what the suppliers had done, but what they had the potential to do for the project in future. </p>
<p>Chemistry was so important in that process.  The buyer was not buying a design (or heaven forbid a &#8220;solution&#8221;) from the supplier, not even &#8220;design services&#8221; in isolation.  They were setting up a relationship, into which both sides will put creativity and technical knowledge, out of which an end product will come.  And open source stuff was what convinced the buyer about which relationship to continue.</p>
<p>Sure you won&#8217;t make money off the CC stuff directly, but putting your stuff out there, open source, is a celebration of what it is you do and a sign of your understanding of the how business is moving right now.  It&#8217;s a sign of your confidence in yourself, in your capacity to do great work in the future.  That has to have an appeal to clients.  And open source is rooted in relationships, which is what I think forward thinking clients want.</p>
<p>That kind of thinking appears to work.  I saw a survey which suggested that programmers who have contributed to open source projects earn 20% more than those who haven&#8217;t.  Oh, there is evidence to the contrary, too.  Someone did a PhD in which they worked out that senior businessmen and women have historically placed more stock in the advice they pay for than advice that comes free, even if the paid for advice is a clearly inferior.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Collins</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon Collins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Jan 2005 01:56:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think youre right about the idea of releasing, sharing, sourcing, referencing and complementing information. The biggest problem with analysts at the moment is the lifecycle of creating, hyping and discarding an overlapping set of bandwagons. Case in point  corporate performance management, business process management and business service management, all of which mean diddly squat other than something to put on the press release. Such broad categories do nothing to help the CIO  in fact, they hinder, as s/he will be trying to solve real problems  these arent real solutions, theyre market categories or somesuch. If you add to that the fact that such categories are being cast as intellectual ideas (which theyre not  the opposite if anything), which are then sold to subscribers, the result becomes a wholly artificial tower of cards, or a bag of wind. If only it were both.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think youre right about the idea of releasing, sharing, sourcing, referencing and complementing information. The biggest problem with analysts at the moment is the lifecycle of creating, hyping and discarding an overlapping set of bandwagons. Case in point  corporate performance management, business process management and business service management, all of which mean diddly squat other than something to put on the press release. Such broad categories do nothing to help the CIO  in fact, they hinder, as s/he will be trying to solve real problems  these arent real solutions, theyre market categories or somesuch. If you add to that the fact that such categories are being cast as intellectual ideas (which theyre not  the opposite if anything), which are then sold to subscribers, the result becomes a wholly artificial tower of cards, or a bag of wind. If only it were both.</p>
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		<title>By: Leonard Schmiege</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leonard Schmiege</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Jan 2005 11:52:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Open source is driving the revolution that we will all want to be part of.  The sooner you get started the sooner you can start building up your whuffie points.  What can you get with whuffie points?  I don&#039;t know but you need them.  Those with them will decide what they will be worth, along with pretty much everything about how society progresses.

I don&#039;t know much about the business model for an analyst firm. (I thought they just wined and dined around the world then magically turned those events into saleable material.)  But I know the closed source model is dying, so what choice have you got? Go forward with the throttle &#039;wide open.&#039;  (The more you open it up the faster you will go.)  When you get there look back and give the rest of us directions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Open source is driving the revolution that we will all want to be part of.  The sooner you get started the sooner you can start building up your whuffie points.  What can you get with whuffie points?  I don&#8217;t know but you need them.  Those with them will decide what they will be worth, along with pretty much everything about how society progresses.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know much about the business model for an analyst firm. (I thought they just wined and dined around the world then magically turned those events into saleable material.)  But I know the closed source model is dying, so what choice have you got? Go forward with the throttle &#8216;wide open.&#8217;  (The more you open it up the faster you will go.)  When you get there look back and give the rest of us directions.</p>
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