Comments on: Eclipse Europa http://www.redmonk.com/cote/2007/06/27/eclipse-europa/ One foot in the muck, the other in utopia Thu, 20 Nov 2008 14:11:58 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.3 By: 1000000s » What’s the Europa buzz? http://www.redmonk.com/cote/2007/06/27/eclipse-europa/#comment-131761 1000000s » What’s the Europa buzz? Sat, 12 Jan 2008 12:50:15 +0000 http://www.redmonk.com/cote/2007/06/27/eclipse-europa/#comment-131761 [...] BlogsOne Foot in the Muck, the Other in UtopiaCaffeine Induced CodingErik’s…Hmm…Camping out For Europadigital : meditation [...] [...] BlogsOne Foot in the Muck, the Other in UtopiaCaffeine Induced CodingErik’s…Hmm…Camping out For Europadigital : meditation [...]

]]> By: People Over Process » Mylyn Conversation and Demo http://www.redmonk.com/cote/2007/06/27/eclipse-europa/#comment-45346 People Over Process » Mylyn Conversation and Demo Thu, 05 Jul 2007 22:41:48 +0000 http://www.redmonk.com/cote/2007/06/27/eclipse-europa/#comment-45346 [...] mentioned Mylyn/Mylar several times before — here and most recently in the context of Europa — an it’s one of my favorite Eclipse [...] [...] mentioned Mylyn/Mylar several times before — here and most recently in the context of Europa — an it’s one of my favorite Eclipse [...]

]]> By: Eclipse Europa Coverage So Far « Ian Skerrett http://www.redmonk.com/cote/2007/06/27/eclipse-europa/#comment-44740 Eclipse Europa Coverage So Far « Ian Skerrett Tue, 03 Jul 2007 14:01:02 +0000 http://www.redmonk.com/cote/2007/06/27/eclipse-europa/#comment-44740 [...] Cote from Redmonk probably had the best coverage by an analyst. Cote really gets this stuff. [...] [...] Cote from Redmonk probably had the best coverage by an analyst. Cote really gets this stuff. [...]

]]> By: John Dee http://www.redmonk.com/cote/2007/06/27/eclipse-europa/#comment-44588 John Dee Mon, 02 Jul 2007 20:56:16 +0000 http://www.redmonk.com/cote/2007/06/27/eclipse-europa/#comment-44588 Neil, this is just not constructive and I hope this tone is not representative of the OSGi community. Or is it? We have JSR 277 and 291 overlapping. What should we do next? Kill one of them? Doesn't make sense to me. Neil, this is just not constructive and I hope this tone is not representative of the OSGi community. Or is it?

We have JSR 277 and 291 overlapping. What should we do next? Kill one of them? Doesn’t make sense to me.

]]> By: Eclipse for Everything - javanese » Eclipse Europa 릴리즈!!! http://www.redmonk.com/cote/2007/06/27/eclipse-europa/#comment-43719 Eclipse for Everything - javanese » Eclipse Europa 릴리즈!!! Fri, 29 Jun 2007 16:39:36 +0000 http://www.redmonk.com/cote/2007/06/27/eclipse-europa/#comment-43719 [...] http://www.redmonk.com/cote/2007/06/27/eclipse-europa/ [...] [...] http://www.redmonk.com/cote/2007/06/27/eclipse-europa/ [...]

]]> By: Pure Danger Tech » Blog Archive » Java 7 Roundup (June 28th) http://www.redmonk.com/cote/2007/06/27/eclipse-europa/#comment-43624 Pure Danger Tech » Blog Archive » Java 7 Roundup (June 28th) Fri, 29 Jun 2007 04:19:23 +0000 http://www.redmonk.com/cote/2007/06/27/eclipse-europa/#comment-43624 [...] relationship in JSR 277 and JSR 291. Along the same lines, you might be interested in Coté’s take on OSGi vs JSR 277 [...] [...] relationship in JSR 277 and JSR 291. Along the same lines, you might be interested in Coté’s take on OSGi vs JSR 277 [...]

]]> By: Neil Bartlett http://www.redmonk.com/cote/2007/06/27/eclipse-europa/#comment-43525 Neil Bartlett Thu, 28 Jun 2007 16:36:02 +0000 http://www.redmonk.com/cote/2007/06/27/eclipse-europa/#comment-43525 OSGi wasn't developed inside the JCP "church", but it certainly now has a seat in the choir with JSR 291. I wonder if that changes the game for those whose devotion to JCP is paramount. Or do they just care that the high priest himself (Sun) voted against the JSR, in opposition to the rest of the priesthood? Another aspect of the NetBeans versus Eclipse comparison, aside from focus on the platform, is the community. I don't need to tell you how enormous the Eclipse community is. How about NetBeans'? It appears to be a community consisting of just Sun, and that's not healthy. Even Microsoft does better at building an ecosystem around Visual Studio, despite all their devious license terms and occasional suing of valuable business partners. OSGi wasn’t developed inside the JCP “church”, but it certainly now has a seat in the choir with JSR 291. I wonder if that changes the game for those whose devotion to JCP is paramount. Or do they just care that the high priest himself (Sun) voted against the JSR, in opposition to the rest of the priesthood?

Another aspect of the NetBeans versus Eclipse comparison, aside from focus on the platform, is the community. I don’t need to tell you how enormous the Eclipse community is. How about NetBeans’? It appears to be a community consisting of just Sun, and that’s not healthy. Even Microsoft does better at building an ecosystem around Visual Studio, despite all their devious license terms and occasional suing of valuable business partners.

]]> By: cote http://www.redmonk.com/cote/2007/06/27/eclipse-europa/#comment-43498 cote Thu, 28 Jun 2007 14:50:41 +0000 http://www.redmonk.com/cote/2007/06/27/eclipse-europa/#comment-43498 John: I agree, and the Java component/module topic is actually one of the top three, if not the top thing, I talk about with Java people now-a-days. As I've told all of them, I'd really like to do a podcast, a post, a panel, or some other sort of public discussion with all sides involved. Obviously, it's worth writing on more frequently, so thanks for the input ;) John: I agree, and the Java component/module topic is actually one of the top three, if not the top thing, I talk about with Java people now-a-days. As I’ve told all of them, I’d really like to do a podcast, a post, a panel, or some other sort of public discussion with all sides involved. Obviously, it’s worth writing on more frequently, so thanks for the input ;)

]]> By: John Dee http://www.redmonk.com/cote/2007/06/27/eclipse-europa/#comment-43462 John Dee Thu, 28 Jun 2007 07:17:47 +0000 http://www.redmonk.com/cote/2007/06/27/eclipse-europa/#comment-43462 Thanks cote'. I guess I was hoping for more analysis on how this should move forward. It is not a question of incompatible "alternatives", only incompatible people. The technologies can and should live together. Great posts and podcasts btw. Thanks cote’. I guess I was hoping for more analysis on how this should move forward. It is not a question of incompatible “alternatives”, only incompatible people. The technologies can and should live together.
Great posts and podcasts btw.

]]> By: links for 2007-06-28 » SDLC Blog http://www.redmonk.com/cote/2007/06/27/eclipse-europa/#comment-43435 links for 2007-06-28 » SDLC Blog Thu, 28 Jun 2007 02:25:43 +0000 http://www.redmonk.com/cote/2007/06/27/eclipse-europa/#comment-43435 [...] People Over Process » Eclipse Europa Eclipse Europa review by Cote: “3 interesting dimensions to the Europa release: 1) A platform for platforms 2) More tools for programmers 3) A move into the server-side” (tags: ide eclipse europa) [...] [...] People Over Process » Eclipse Europa Eclipse Europa review by Cote: “3 interesting dimensions to the Europa release: 1) A platform for platforms 2) More tools for programmers 3) A move into the server-side” (tags: ide eclipse europa) [...]

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