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	<description>One foot in the muck, the other in utopia</description>
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		<title>By: Open Source Links: 19-05-2007 &#124; Commercial Open Source Software</title>
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		<dc:creator>Open Source Links: 19-05-2007 &#124; Commercial Open Source Software</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 12:02:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] on the 20th) Microsoftâ€™s Patent Impasse - A lucid commentary by Coteâ€™, really enlightening. Organizing an Open Source Workshop!!! - A [...]</description>
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		<title>By: People Over Process &#187; Blog Archive &#187; OSBC &#8216;07: On the conference itself</title>
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		<dc:creator>People Over Process &#187; Blog Archive &#187; OSBC &#8216;07: On the conference itself</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2007 18:17:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] is legit, and seeing lawyers circling the market is a sign of there being money. Or, it could be that whole 235 thing (though, I&#8217;m sure they all booked their booths before [...]</description>
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		<title>By: People Over Process &#187; Blog Archive &#187; OSBC: First Half-day</title>
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		<dc:creator>People Over Process &#187; Blog Archive &#187; OSBC: First Half-day</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2007 00:46:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Kirschner, which was fun. I didn&#8217;t really needle them about the topic du jour, but I gave a lengthy summary of my last post on the topic. More importantly, we talked a lot about them and what they&#8217;re up [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Mike Dolan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Dolan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 May 2007 09:17:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In the two sides part regarding the &quot;free world&quot; I&#039;d also add that this group actually intends not to use Microsoft&#039;s (or any other company&#039;s) restricted patents and have certain procedures and diligence to avoid such a situation. (I say restricted b/c there are many in the Patent Commons, etc for &quot;free&quot; use)  
 
Not to mention this group is also ready, on standby 24x7 globally to rewrite any code that is perceived to impinge on any of those patents. It&#039;s a matter that this group will never license Microsoft&#039;s patents period, so if Microsoft says they are infringing, the question is where, we&#039;ll fix it. They&#039;ll just fix anything they may have legitimate Microsoft claims (which gets Microsoft no closer to obtaining a license that they want)... Legally, Microsoft would be stuck trying to sue for past infringements, but on a go forward basis, they&#039;d have nothing to require an IP agreement b/c any issues would be quickly fixed. SCO was the first to try out suing their customers... that ended where... 
 
In the end, it&#039;s difficult to obtain a license agreement from a community that intentionally does not want to be held accountable or restricted by any IP that belongs to a single vendor (especially Microsoft)... hence the Linux community relies on the Patent Commons, OIN, etc. Assume someone closer to the community (i.e. IBM, Intel, HP, Hitachi, Motorola, Red Hat) required everyone using Linux to obtain a valid, restricted license for use on a patent from them... I suspect that same situation would apply. 
 
Companies today are likely infringing other companies patents every minute. Not to mention, patents are global - a patent may apply in one country, not in another, and then be found invalid in another. Some companies in the tech industry don&#039;t even bother trying to figure it out and just reach cross-license agreements with other large vendors in the industry. If Microsoft files 4,000 patents this year... have you checked whether Redmonk.com violates any of them?? Would you?? How could you ever keep up? With hundreds of thousands of patents being file each year, 238 patents is nothing - especially when roughly 5% would probably make it passed the first round of scrutiny. 
 
But Microsoft knows all this already; yet they use the language. Right now their &quot;return on the patent portfolio&quot; is the benefit from the fear, uncertainty, and doubt that they inject into customer base. They hope that fear will compel other Linux distributors into licensing as well... but good luck, Oracle, Red Hat... don&#039;t see that coming anytime soon. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the two sides part regarding the &quot;free world&quot; I&#039;d also add that this group actually intends not to use Microsoft&#039;s (or any other company&#039;s) restricted patents and have certain procedures and diligence to avoid such a situation. (I say restricted b/c there are many in the Patent Commons, etc for &quot;free&quot; use) </p>
<p>Not to mention this group is also ready, on standby 24&#215;7 globally to rewrite any code that is perceived to impinge on any of those patents. It&#039;s a matter that this group will never license Microsoft&#039;s patents period, so if Microsoft says they are infringing, the question is where, we&#039;ll fix it. They&#039;ll just fix anything they may have legitimate Microsoft claims (which gets Microsoft no closer to obtaining a license that they want)&#8230; Legally, Microsoft would be stuck trying to sue for past infringements, but on a go forward basis, they&#039;d have nothing to require an IP agreement b/c any issues would be quickly fixed. SCO was the first to try out suing their customers&#8230; that ended where&#8230;</p>
<p>In the end, it&#039;s difficult to obtain a license agreement from a community that intentionally does not want to be held accountable or restricted by any IP that belongs to a single vendor (especially Microsoft)&#8230; hence the Linux community relies on the Patent Commons, OIN, etc. Assume someone closer to the community (i.e. IBM, Intel, HP, Hitachi, Motorola, Red Hat) required everyone using Linux to obtain a valid, restricted license for use on a patent from them&#8230; I suspect that same situation would apply.</p>
<p>Companies today are likely infringing other companies patents every minute. Not to mention, patents are global &#8211; a patent may apply in one country, not in another, and then be found invalid in another. Some companies in the tech industry don&#039;t even bother trying to figure it out and just reach cross-license agreements with other large vendors in the industry. If Microsoft files 4,000 patents this year&#8230; have you checked whether Redmonk.com violates any of them?? Would you?? How could you ever keep up? With hundreds of thousands of patents being file each year, 238 patents is nothing &#8211; especially when roughly 5% would probably make it passed the first round of scrutiny.</p>
<p>But Microsoft knows all this already; yet they use the language. Right now their &quot;return on the patent portfolio&quot; is the benefit from the fear, uncertainty, and doubt that they inject into customer base. They hope that fear will compel other Linux distributors into licensing as well&#8230; but good luck, Oracle, Red Hat&#8230; don&#039;t see that coming anytime soon. </p>
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		<title>By: Dalibor Topic</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dalibor Topic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 May 2007 19:57:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Microsoft should simply  
 
1. offer Ballmer&#039;s, Smith&#039;s, Guiterrez&#039; and Hilf&#039;s heads on a silver platter (figuratively speaking), and 
 
2. stop being a patent troll that&#039;s trying to extort cash from their customers &amp; competition alike on baseless claims, and apologize for it, and 
 
3. extend the OOXML patent pledge to cover all software patents held by Microsoft. </description>
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<p>1. offer Ballmer&#039;s, Smith&#039;s, Guiterrez&#039; and Hilf&#039;s heads on a silver platter (figuratively speaking), and</p>
<p>2. stop being a patent troll that&#039;s trying to extort cash from their customers &amp; competition alike on baseless claims, and apologize for it, and</p>
<p>3. extend the OOXML patent pledge to cover all software patents held by Microsoft. </p>
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