Comments on: RIA Stacks Comin’ ‘Atcha: Silverlight + Astoria, “Apollo” + LiveCycle Data Services, & Lighting the Dark Data http://www.redmonk.com/cote/2007/05/01/ria-stacks-comin-atcha-silverlight-astoria-apollo-livecycle-data-services-lighting-the-dark-data/ One foot in the muck, the other in utopia Mon, 08 Sep 2008 18:11:35 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6 By: People Over Process » RIAs for the Enterprise - iLog + IBM = More Adobe? http://www.redmonk.com/cote/2007/05/01/ria-stacks-comin-atcha-silverlight-astoria-apollo-livecycle-data-services-lighting-the-dark-data/#comment-205023 People Over Process » RIAs for the Enterprise - iLog + IBM = More Adobe? Tue, 29 Jul 2008 00:21:35 +0000 http://www.redmonk.com/cote/2007/05/01/ria-stacks-comin-atcha-silverlight-astoria-apollo-livecycle-data-services-lighting-the-dark-data/#comment-205023 [...] On the other hand, I am nuts for the RIA. Even more so, I like seeing how RIAs get themselves into the enterprise world. I’m fond of pointing out that most RIAs need a back-end. There’s limitless “dark data” in the enterprise locked behind boring interfaces. [...] [...] On the other hand, I am nuts for the RIA. Even more so, I like seeing how RIAs get themselves into the enterprise world. I’m fond of pointing out that most RIAs need a back-end. There’s limitless “dark data” in the enterprise locked behind boring interfaces. [...]

]]> By: People Over Process » Your Data in the Cloud - URL-based computing, SimpleDB, Astoria, etc. http://www.redmonk.com/cote/2007/05/01/ria-stacks-comin-atcha-silverlight-astoria-apollo-livecycle-data-services-lighting-the-dark-data/#comment-125106 People Over Process » Your Data in the Cloud - URL-based computing, SimpleDB, Astoria, etc. Wed, 02 Jan 2008 17:01:14 +0000 http://www.redmonk.com/cote/2007/05/01/ria-stacks-comin-atcha-silverlight-astoria-apollo-livecycle-data-services-lighting-the-dark-data/#comment-125106 [...] is a Microsoft REST-ish framework. In the initial review, as I said, I was quite impressed. I did some more blue-skying on the topic a little while later. They were offering Astoria as a framework for coders to use, but also offered a hosted, [...] [...] is a Microsoft REST-ish framework. In the initial review, as I said, I was quite impressed. I did some more blue-skying on the topic a little while later. They were offering Astoria as a framework for coders to use, but also offered a hosted, [...]

]]> By: People Over Process » Blog Archive » ColdFusion 8: Adobe’s less spoken answer for The Web Crowd http://www.redmonk.com/cote/2007/05/01/ria-stacks-comin-atcha-silverlight-astoria-apollo-livecycle-data-services-lighting-the-dark-data/#comment-34879 People Over Process » Blog Archive » ColdFusion 8: Adobe’s less spoken answer for The Web Crowd Sat, 02 Jun 2007 23:37:58 +0000 http://www.redmonk.com/cote/2007/05/01/ria-stacks-comin-atcha-silverlight-astoria-apollo-livecycle-data-services-lighting-the-dark-data/#comment-34879 [...] I’m actually OK with these RIA technologies being a part of the web, that is, being component or widget. And hey, if people end up liking RIA’s in a grander [...] [...] I’m actually OK with these RIA technologies being a part of the web, that is, being component or widget. And hey, if people end up liking RIA’s in a grander [...]

]]> By: Andre’s Blog » Blog Archive » links for 2007-05-04 http://www.redmonk.com/cote/2007/05/01/ria-stacks-comin-atcha-silverlight-astoria-apollo-livecycle-data-services-lighting-the-dark-data/#comment-28272 Andre’s Blog » Blog Archive » links for 2007-05-04 Fri, 04 May 2007 02:22:25 +0000 http://www.redmonk.com/cote/2007/05/01/ria-stacks-comin-atcha-silverlight-astoria-apollo-livecycle-data-services-lighting-the-dark-data/#comment-28272 [...] People Over Process » Blog Archive » RIA Stacks Comin’ ‘Atcha: Silverlight + Astoria, “Apoll... Cote draws a pretty picture of what MS and Adobe have to offer in this space i like the bit at the end about good enough: “each development team needs to take out their “good enough” sweet-spot charts and rulers and figure out if RIA is worth the rewr (tags: adobe flash microsoft ria redmonk cote ajax silverlight flex apollo) [...] [...] People Over Process » Blog Archive » RIA Stacks Comin’ ‘Atcha: Silverlight + Astoria, “Apoll… Cote draws a pretty picture of what MS and Adobe have to offer in this space i like the bit at the end about good enough: “each development team needs to take out their “good enough” sweet-spot charts and rulers and figure out if RIA is worth the rewr (tags: adobe flash microsoft ria redmonk cote ajax silverlight flex apollo) [...]

]]> By: James Governor’s Monkchips » links for 2007-05-03 http://www.redmonk.com/cote/2007/05/01/ria-stacks-comin-atcha-silverlight-astoria-apollo-livecycle-data-services-lighting-the-dark-data/#comment-28253 James Governor’s Monkchips » links for 2007-05-03 Thu, 03 May 2007 23:26:31 +0000 http://www.redmonk.com/cote/2007/05/01/ria-stacks-comin-atcha-silverlight-astoria-apollo-livecycle-data-services-lighting-the-dark-data/#comment-28253 [...] People Over Process » Blog Archive » RIA Stacks Comin’ ‘Atcha: Silverlight + Astoria, “Apoll... Cote on all the rich application goodness (tags: redmonk) This entry was written by jgovernor and posted on May 3, 2007 at 11:25 pm and filed under Uncategorized. Bookmark the permalink. Follow any comments here with the RSS feed for this post. Post a comment or leave a trackback: Trackback URL. « Are Poor Applications Better Than Rich Applications? [...] [...] People Over Process » Blog Archive » RIA Stacks Comin’ ‘Atcha: Silverlight + Astoria, “Apoll… Cote on all the rich application goodness (tags: redmonk) This entry was written by jgovernor and posted on May 3, 2007 at 11:25 pm and filed under Uncategorized. Bookmark the permalink. Follow any comments here with the RSS feed for this post. Post a comment or leave a trackback: Trackback URL. « Are Poor Applications Better Than Rich Applications? [...]

]]> By: Andrew Shebanow http://www.redmonk.com/cote/2007/05/01/ria-stacks-comin-atcha-silverlight-astoria-apollo-livecycle-data-services-lighting-the-dark-data/#comment-28250 Andrew Shebanow Thu, 03 May 2007 23:18:19 +0000 http://www.redmonk.com/cote/2007/05/01/ria-stacks-comin-atcha-silverlight-astoria-apollo-livecycle-data-services-lighting-the-dark-data/#comment-28250 I just meant that Spry wasn't about RIA per se, but on second thought I agree with you that I should have considered it part of the stack. And I agree that Adobe could do even more to support AJAX. But you said Microsoft had done more previously, and now you talk about a single markup language, so I'm still not ure what you are driving at. Microsoft doesn't have a single markup language either, right? (Silverlight is XAML + HTML + JavaScript today, plus C#/VB/etc tomorrow, ASP.NET is a whole different tag language, etc.). Please understand I'm not trying to be critical here: I really just want to understand why you believe Microsoft has done more. I just meant that Spry wasn’t about RIA per se, but on second thought I agree with you that I should have considered it part of the stack. And I agree that Adobe could do even more to support AJAX. But you said Microsoft had done more previously, and now you talk about a single markup language, so I’m still not ure what you are driving at. Microsoft doesn’t have a single markup language either, right? (Silverlight is XAML + HTML + JavaScript today, plus C#/VB/etc tomorrow, ASP.NET is a whole different tag language, etc.). Please understand I’m not trying to be critical here: I really just want to understand why you believe Microsoft has done more.

]]> By: Andre Charland http://www.redmonk.com/cote/2007/05/01/ria-stacks-comin-atcha-silverlight-astoria-apollo-livecycle-data-services-lighting-the-dark-data/#comment-28242 Andre Charland Thu, 03 May 2007 21:52:20 +0000 http://www.redmonk.com/cote/2007/05/01/ria-stacks-comin-atcha-silverlight-astoria-apollo-livecycle-data-services-lighting-the-dark-data/#comment-28242 Hey Andrew...I'm aware of all that...but what do you think about the advantages of using one declarative markup language or dev tool to produce an Ajax or Flex based RIA? It's not a criticism of doing _nothing_ but I think a lot more could be done. This would actually help adoption of other RIA technologies in the Adobe solution. Why is Spry not part of the stack? BTW. I'm a big a supporter of Flex/Apollo and the Adobe approach for sure. We've even worked with Adobe on it in the past http://blogs.nitobi.com/dave/?p=181. We're gearing up to have our first hybrid Ajax/Flash components this summer and are even working on some Flex projects internally. Hey Andrew…I’m aware of all that…but what do you think about the advantages of using one declarative markup language or dev tool to produce an Ajax or Flex based RIA? It’s not a criticism of doing _nothing_ but I think a lot more could be done. This would actually help adoption of other RIA technologies in the Adobe solution.

Why is Spry not part of the stack?

BTW. I’m a big a supporter of Flex/Apollo and the Adobe approach for sure. We’ve even worked with Adobe on it in the past http://blogs.nitobi.com/dave/?p=181. We’re gearing up to have our first hybrid Ajax/Flash components this summer and are even working on some Flex projects internally.

]]> By: Andrew Shebanow http://www.redmonk.com/cote/2007/05/01/ria-stacks-comin-atcha-silverlight-astoria-apollo-livecycle-data-services-lighting-the-dark-data/#comment-28226 Andrew Shebanow Thu, 03 May 2007 19:37:27 +0000 http://www.redmonk.com/cote/2007/05/01/ria-stacks-comin-atcha-silverlight-astoria-apollo-livecycle-data-services-lighting-the-dark-data/#comment-28226 Oh, we also have Spry, our open source AJAX toolkit. Not strictly speaking part of our RIA stack though. Oh, we also have Spry, our open source AJAX toolkit. Not strictly speaking part of our RIA stack though.

]]> By: Andrew Shebanow http://www.redmonk.com/cote/2007/05/01/ria-stacks-comin-atcha-silverlight-astoria-apollo-livecycle-data-services-lighting-the-dark-data/#comment-28225 Andrew Shebanow Thu, 03 May 2007 19:36:08 +0000 http://www.redmonk.com/cote/2007/05/01/ria-stacks-comin-atcha-silverlight-astoria-apollo-livecycle-data-services-lighting-the-dark-data/#comment-28225 @Andre Charland: Why do you say that Microsoft is embracing AJAX more than Adobe? We're big fans of AJAX. We have an open source Javascript bridge to let Flash/Flex programs talk to the DOM (http://osflash.org/projects/flashjs), and Apollo allows you to run pure AJAX apps on the desktop. @Andre Charland: Why do you say that Microsoft is embracing AJAX more than Adobe? We’re big fans of AJAX. We have an open source Javascript bridge to let Flash/Flex programs talk to the DOM (http://osflash.org/projects/flashjs), and Apollo allows you to run pure AJAX apps on the desktop.

]]> By: Andre Charland http://www.redmonk.com/cote/2007/05/01/ria-stacks-comin-atcha-silverlight-astoria-apollo-livecycle-data-services-lighting-the-dark-data/#comment-28214 Andre Charland Thu, 03 May 2007 17:47:12 +0000 http://www.redmonk.com/cote/2007/05/01/ria-stacks-comin-atcha-silverlight-astoria-apollo-livecycle-data-services-lighting-the-dark-data/#comment-28214 hey cote do you think it's weird that MS seems to be embracing Ajax a lot more in Silverlight than Adobe is in in their RIA stack? Especially since with Dreamweaver they could have a huge head start... Great post BTW! hey cote do you think it’s weird that MS seems to be embracing Ajax a lot more in Silverlight than Adobe is in in their RIA stack? Especially since with Dreamweaver they could have a huge head start…

Great post BTW!

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