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	<title>Comments on: Systems Management 2.0 Pricing</title>
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	<description>One foot in the muck, the other in utopia</description>
	<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 20:01:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Cote'</title>
		<link>http://www.redmonk.com/cote/2007/03/08/systems-management-20-pricing/#comment-180810</link>
		<dc:creator>Cote'</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2008 15:25:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gokulnath: this pricing is from 2007, so it could be out of date both in how Hyperic slices up what to price and the price itself. So, thanks for the update!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gokulnath: this pricing is from 2007, so it could be out of date both in how Hyperic slices up what to price and the price itself. So, thanks for the update!</p>
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		<title>By: Gokulnath</title>
		<link>http://www.redmonk.com/cote/2007/03/08/systems-management-20-pricing/#comment-180703</link>
		<dc:creator>Gokulnath</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2008 05:55:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hyperic charges based on cpu's and not based on sockets.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hyperic charges based on cpu&#8217;s and not based on sockets.</p>
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		<title>By: Gokulnath</title>
		<link>http://www.redmonk.com/cote/2007/03/08/systems-management-20-pricing/#comment-180702</link>
		<dc:creator>Gokulnath</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2008 05:54:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was told that groundwork cost per year for entprise monitoring is $23000 and unlimited devices. I see here that $8000 for 50 devices. What do you mean by "limited only by the performance capabilities of the monitoring server"? So even in $23000 enterprise contract the customer has to pay additional charges?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was told that groundwork cost per year for entprise monitoring is $23000 and unlimited devices. I see here that $8000 for 50 devices. What do you mean by &#8220;limited only by the performance capabilities of the monitoring server&#8221;? So even in $23000 enterprise contract the customer has to pay additional charges?</p>
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		<title>By: People Over Process &#187; Microsoft System Center Essentials</title>
		<link>http://www.redmonk.com/cote/2007/03/08/systems-management-20-pricing/#comment-56098</link>
		<dc:creator>People Over Process &#187; Microsoft System Center Essentials</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Aug 2007 15:55:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] As a comparison, check out my post of Systems Management 2.0 pricing from this March. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] As a comparison, check out my post of Systems Management 2.0 pricing from this March. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: cote</title>
		<link>http://www.redmonk.com/cote/2007/03/08/systems-management-20-pricing/#comment-15194</link>
		<dc:creator>cote</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Mar 2007 22:16:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tarus: thanks for taking the time to clarify and add explanation. I've corrected the original post to note the unlimited quantity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tarus: thanks for taking the time to clarify and add explanation. I&#8217;ve corrected the original post to note the unlimited quantity.</p>
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		<title>By: Tarus Balog</title>
		<link>http://www.redmonk.com/cote/2007/03/08/systems-management-20-pricing/#comment-15179</link>
		<dc:creator>Tarus Balog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Mar 2007 19:45:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stumbled upon this site pretty much by accident. Thanks for including us in the list.

When we started providing support for OpenNMS, we didn't want to use the tired "per node" or "per license" method of pricing. "Per node" doesn't scale for anyone but the vendor, and since all of our code is available under the GPL, the license model didn't work either.

So we price our support per support contact. In the basic support subscription (the one you list for $4995) you get two contacts: a primary and a backup. They can manage as many OpenNMS instances as they want, and we encourage our clients to run a production as well as a development version. 

Thus it makes it kind of hard to price per node. We have some clients with 100 devices, but we have one with nearly 50,000. Also, since we are client-less, the "work unit" is more along the lines of the number of interfaces and services being managed versus "nodes". The 50K device client has about 66K interfaces whereas another client with only 12K devices has nearly the same amount of interfaces since their devices are mainly routers.

As a pure services company we try to price according to the number of people accessing our services versus how "much" OpenNMS a client uses. 

Thanks again for including us and I hope this clarifies things a bit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stumbled upon this site pretty much by accident. Thanks for including us in the list.</p>
<p>When we started providing support for OpenNMS, we didn&#8217;t want to use the tired &#8220;per node&#8221; or &#8220;per license&#8221; method of pricing. &#8220;Per node&#8221; doesn&#8217;t scale for anyone but the vendor, and since all of our code is available under the GPL, the license model didn&#8217;t work either.</p>
<p>So we price our support per support contact. In the basic support subscription (the one you list for $4995) you get two contacts: a primary and a backup. They can manage as many OpenNMS instances as they want, and we encourage our clients to run a production as well as a development version. </p>
<p>Thus it makes it kind of hard to price per node. We have some clients with 100 devices, but we have one with nearly 50,000. Also, since we are client-less, the &#8220;work unit&#8221; is more along the lines of the number of interfaces and services being managed versus &#8220;nodes&#8221;. The 50K device client has about 66K interfaces whereas another client with only 12K devices has nearly the same amount of interfaces since their devices are mainly routers.</p>
<p>As a pure services company we try to price according to the number of people accessing our services versus how &#8220;much&#8221; OpenNMS a client uses. </p>
<p>Thanks again for including us and I hope this clarifies things a bit.</p>
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		<title>By: cote</title>
		<link>http://www.redmonk.com/cote/2007/03/08/systems-management-20-pricing/#comment-13743</link>
		<dc:creator>cote</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Mar 2007 21:48:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Travis: yes, people use that stuff. Quite a few of projects use RRDTool. A little under a year ago &lt;a href="http://redmonk.com/cote/2006/03/31/systems-management-in-the-real-world-erf-enterprise-network-services/" rel="nofollow"&gt;I visited a local data-center that duct-taped together their own setup just like you're describing&lt;/a&gt;. I was most impressed by the Cacti integration/customization they'd done. And, of course, GroundWork itself is a well polished version of combining and customizing available OSS projects and platforms. And I agree it'd be nice to start tracking these types of projects more formally, writing up notes as appropriate.

Tony: thanks for the note ;) I combined the concepts of "minimum" and "up to" to help normalize the table a little bit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Travis: yes, people use that stuff. Quite a few of projects use RRDTool. A little under a year ago <a href="http://redmonk.com/cote/2006/03/31/systems-management-in-the-real-world-erf-enterprise-network-services/" rel="nofollow">I visited a local data-center that duct-taped together their own setup just like you&#8217;re describing</a>. I was most impressed by the Cacti integration/customization they&#8217;d done. And, of course, GroundWork itself is a well polished version of combining and customizing available OSS projects and platforms. And I agree it&#8217;d be nice to start tracking these types of projects more formally, writing up notes as appropriate.</p>
<p>Tony: thanks for the note ;) I combined the concepts of &#8220;minimum&#8221; and &#8220;up to&#8221; to help normalize the table a little bit.</p>
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		<title>By: Tony Barbagallo</title>
		<link>http://www.redmonk.com/cote/2007/03/08/systems-management-20-pricing/#comment-13720</link>
		<dc:creator>Tony Barbagallo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Mar 2007 19:17:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Michael,

For the GroundWork pricing, the $8,000 annual number is for up to 50 devices monitored. It's $16,000 annual for  moniotring an unlimited number of devices (limited only by the performance capabilities of the monitoring server).

Tony</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Michael,</p>
<p>For the GroundWork pricing, the $8,000 annual number is for up to 50 devices monitored. It&#8217;s $16,000 annual for  moniotring an unlimited number of devices (limited only by the performance capabilities of the monitoring server).</p>
<p>Tony</p>
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		<title>By: Travis Van</title>
		<link>http://www.redmonk.com/cote/2007/03/08/systems-management-20-pricing/#comment-13710</link>
		<dc:creator>Travis Van</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Mar 2007 18:31:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting post, Michael.  Hey -- what do you make of all of the other projects out there (Cacti, NeDi, RRDTool, MRTG, Ganglia, etc.) for monitoring / mapping network performance?  Seems like there are some vendors that use MRTG / RRDTool (even big 4 vendors) in their solution ... then there are users out there building their own home grown monitoring systems with these, then writing their own front end for graphing, et al.  Do you see these projects gathering any momentum out there?  It would be cool if you guys did some sort of report in the future about all the other cool open source network monitoring tools out there and pointed to some of the ones with momentum.  Most folks know about Nagios by now, but seems like a lot of those other ones are relatively obscure (despite the fact that some of them have good adoption).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting post, Michael.  Hey &#8212; what do you make of all of the other projects out there (Cacti, NeDi, RRDTool, MRTG, Ganglia, etc.) for monitoring / mapping network performance?  Seems like there are some vendors that use MRTG / RRDTool (even big 4 vendors) in their solution &#8230; then there are users out there building their own home grown monitoring systems with these, then writing their own front end for graphing, et al.  Do you see these projects gathering any momentum out there?  It would be cool if you guys did some sort of report in the future about all the other cool open source network monitoring tools out there and pointed to some of the ones with momentum.  Most folks know about Nagios by now, but seems like a lot of those other ones are relatively obscure (despite the fact that some of them have good adoption).</p>
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		<title>By: cote</title>
		<link>http://www.redmonk.com/cote/2007/03/08/systems-management-20-pricing/#comment-13687</link>
		<dc:creator>cote</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Mar 2007 17:00:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent point, Rick, and thanks for adding it. Versiera has a similar free option.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent point, Rick, and thanks for adding it. Versiera has a similar free option.</p>
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