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		<title>By: what is apollo</title>
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		<dc:creator>what is apollo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 14:14:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] on Flex ..... I wrote last month on Adobe ???Apollo,??? my feel is more that Adobe is ...http://www.redmonk.com/cote/2007/03/05/what-is-apollo/ApolloThe son of Zeus and Leto, and the twin brother of Artemis. apollo was the god of music [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] on Flex &#8230;.. I wrote last month on Adobe ???Apollo,??? my feel is more that Adobe is &#8230;<a href="http://www.redmonk.com/cote/2007/03/05/what-is-apollo/ApolloThe" rel="nofollow">http://www.redmonk.com/cote/2007/03/05/what-is-apollo/ApolloThe</a> son of Zeus and Leto, and the twin brother of Artemis. apollo was the god of music [...]</p>
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		<title>By: People Over Process &#187; Blog Archive &#187; ColdFusion 8: Adobe&#8217;s less spoken answer for The Web Crowd</title>
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		<dc:creator>People Over Process &#187; Blog Archive &#187; ColdFusion 8: Adobe&#8217;s less spoken answer for The Web Crowd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jun 2007 23:37:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] of softened my freak out when it comes to RIAs. First, my assumption is that most of these RIAs are a run at establishing new and better GUI frameworks rather than &#8220;taking over&#8221; the web. While web applications will do in most instances, [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] of softened my freak out when it comes to RIAs. First, my assumption is that most of these RIAs are a run at establishing new and better GUI frameworks rather than &#8220;taking over&#8221; the web. While web applications will do in most instances, [...]</p>
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		<title>By: People Over Process &#187; Blog Archive &#187; RIA Stacks Comin&#8217; &#8216;Atcha: Silverlight + Astoria, &#8220;Apollo&#8221; + LiveCycle Data Services, &#38; Lighting the Dark Data</title>
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		<dc:creator>People Over Process &#187; Blog Archive &#187; RIA Stacks Comin&#8217; &#8216;Atcha: Silverlight + Astoria, &#8220;Apollo&#8221; + LiveCycle Data Services, &#38; Lighting the Dark Data</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 May 2007 22:01:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] and back-end, respectively for an RIA approach to web-aware application development. Adobe has Flex/&#8220;Apollo&#8221; and LiveCycle Data Services (currently Flex Data Services, or FDS). Indeed, the LDS page is [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] and back-end, respectively for an RIA approach to web-aware application development. Adobe has Flex/&#8220;Apollo&#8221; and LiveCycle Data Services (currently Flex Data Services, or FDS). Indeed, the LDS page is [...]</p>
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		<title>By: People Over Process &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Flex SDK Going Open Source: Video and Analysis</title>
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		<dc:creator>People Over Process &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Flex SDK Going Open Source: Video and Analysis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2007 20:20:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I wrote last month on Adobe &#8220;Apollo,&#8221; my feel is more that Adobe is targeting the desktop GUI world rather than the web. Indeed, I can [...]</description>
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		<title>By: People Over Process &#187; Blog Archive &#187; A day in the life of&#8230;</title>
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		<dc:creator>People Over Process &#187; Blog Archive &#187; A day in the life of&#8230;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Mar 2007 23:07:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Where do the topics for posts come from? Events I&#8217;m at, announcements and news, briefings I&#8217;ve had, ideas and suggestions, overviews of new &#8220;trends&#8221; and ideas, and increasingly (which I love) people asking me to look into or (further) explain something. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Where do the topics for posts come from? Events I&#8217;m at, announcements and news, briefings I&#8217;ve had, ideas and suggestions, overviews of new &#8220;trends&#8221; and ideas, and increasingly (which I love) people asking me to look into or (further) explain something. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Saumande.net &#187; RÃ©sumÃ© sur les technologies riches de demain</title>
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		<dc:creator>Saumande.net &#187; RÃ©sumÃ© sur les technologies riches de demain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Mar 2007 09:26:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] ce moment, mÃªme si pour l&#8217;instant peu de personnes ont pu le tester. Vous trouverez ici une dÃ©finition trÃ©s complÃ¨te d&#8217;Apollo. La technologie permettra de prendre un code Flash, Flex, ou mÃªme [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] ce moment, mÃªme si pour l&#8217;instant peu de personnes ont pu le tester. Vous trouverez ici une dÃ©finition trÃ©s complÃ¨te d&#8217;Apollo. La technologie permettra de prendre un code Flash, Flex, ou mÃªme [...]</p>
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		<title>By: John Dowdell</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Dowdell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2007 18:00:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Cote, sorry I missed meeting you last week, thanks for the write-up this week. 
 
Historical trivia: 
 
The phrase &quot;author once, play anywhere&quot; was popularized by Macromedia before in-browser Java arrived:  &lt;a href=&quot;http://weblogs.macromedia.com/jd/archives/2007/01/layin_track.cfm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://weblogs.macromedia.com/jd/archives/2007/01...&lt;/a&gt;  
 
Adobe Apollo was predated by Macromedia Central, which in turn was predated by the early Macromedia Shockwave project:  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.google.com/search?q=shockmachine+%22macromedia+central%22&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.google.com/search?q=shockmachine+%22ma...&lt;/a&gt;  
 
jd/adobe </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Cote, sorry I missed meeting you last week, thanks for the write-up this week.</p>
<p>Historical trivia:</p>
<p>The phrase &quot;author once, play anywhere&quot; was popularized by Macromedia before in-browser Java arrived:<br />
  <a href="http://weblogs.macromedia.com/jd/archives/2007/01/layin_track.cfm" rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://weblogs.macromedia.com/jd/archives/2007/01" rel="nofollow">http://weblogs.macromedia.com/jd/archives/2007/01</a>&#8230;  </p>
<p>Adobe Apollo was predated by Macromedia Central, which in turn was predated by the early Macromedia Shockwave project:<br />
  <a href="http://www.google.com/search?q=shockmachine+%22macromedia+central%22" rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://www.google.com/search?q=shockmachine+%22ma" rel="nofollow">http://www.google.com/search?q=shockmachine+%22ma</a>&#8230;  </p>
<p>jd/adobe </p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Shebanow</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew Shebanow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Mar 2007 21:16:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for clarifying. I&#039;m glad there isn&#039;t some huge bucket of FP9 issues out there I hadn&#039;t heard about. I completely agree that, at a minimum, Adobe will have to consistently execute on its Flash Player Linux commitments for a while before trust is (re)gained. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for clarifying. I&#039;m glad there isn&#039;t some huge bucket of FP9 issues out there I hadn&#039;t heard about. I completely agree that, at a minimum, Adobe will have to consistently execute on its Flash Player Linux commitments for a while before trust is (re)gained. </p>
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		<title>By: cote</title>
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		<dc:creator>cote</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Mar 2007 17:13:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for taking the time to write up a reply. I&#039;m glad you liked it and I appreciate the feedback. 
 
Yes, you&#039;re right on about the GUI framework thing. My angle on explaining this was to someone who didn&#039;t already know Flex. From that angle, Flex is a sub-set of Apollo and, thus, Apollo has the characteristics of Flex. While they&#039;re not technically &quot;the same,&quot; in explaining to someone who&#039;s just looking at the full package of Apollo, I wanted to keep it as simple as possible: hence saying Apollo is a GUI framework, rather than saying that Apollo wraps Flex, and that Flex is a GUI framework. Hopefully that simplification doesn&#039;t cheat the description too much. 
 
I don&#039;t use Linux as my desktop PC, so I can&#039;t speak directly to those concerns. But, people I know who do use Linux complain about it whenever the topic comes up. &lt;a href=&quot;http://redmonk.com/sogrady/2006/08/30/cmon-adobe-new-flash-for-linux-mkay/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Steve has done a better job covering this&lt;/a&gt; than I. 
 
Now, I know that &lt;a href=&quot;http://redmonk.com/sogrady/2006/10/19/hallelujah-flash-9-is-finally-here/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this has been &quot;fixed&quot; with F9&lt;/a&gt; (right?), but I think the Linux world is still feeling burned by compatibility and is rightly still suspicious. 
 
The point in mentioning &quot;write once, run anywhere&quot; was to draw attention to the fact (perhaps strong diction) that there&#039;s still trust to be demonstrated here to (at least?) the Linux community despite the welcomed, recent fixes.  
 
I&#039;m all for it, I&#039;m just jaundiced: kind of like representative democracy ;) 
 
Thanks for the type corrections. I appreciate it ;) </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for taking the time to write up a reply. I&#039;m glad you liked it and I appreciate the feedback.</p>
<p>Yes, you&#039;re right on about the GUI framework thing. My angle on explaining this was to someone who didn&#039;t already know Flex. From that angle, Flex is a sub-set of Apollo and, thus, Apollo has the characteristics of Flex. While they&#039;re not technically &quot;the same,&quot; in explaining to someone who&#039;s just looking at the full package of Apollo, I wanted to keep it as simple as possible: hence saying Apollo is a GUI framework, rather than saying that Apollo wraps Flex, and that Flex is a GUI framework. Hopefully that simplification doesn&#039;t cheat the description too much.</p>
<p>I don&#039;t use Linux as my desktop PC, so I can&#039;t speak directly to those concerns. But, people I know who do use Linux complain about it whenever the topic comes up. <a href="http://redmonk.com/sogrady/2006/08/30/cmon-adobe-new-flash-for-linux-mkay/" rel="nofollow">Steve has done a better job covering this</a> than I.</p>
<p>Now, I know that <a href="http://redmonk.com/sogrady/2006/10/19/hallelujah-flash-9-is-finally-here/" rel="nofollow">this has been &quot;fixed&quot; with F9</a> (right?), but I think the Linux world is still feeling burned by compatibility and is rightly still suspicious.</p>
<p>The point in mentioning &quot;write once, run anywhere&quot; was to draw attention to the fact (perhaps strong diction) that there&#039;s still trust to be demonstrated here to (at least?) the Linux community despite the welcomed, recent fixes. </p>
<p>I&#039;m all for it, I&#039;m just jaundiced: kind of like representative democracy ;)</p>
<p>Thanks for the type corrections. I appreciate it ;) </p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Shebanow</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew Shebanow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Mar 2007 16:50:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great article. 
 
FWIW, though, I&#039;m not sure that calling Apollo a GUI framework is appropriate. Seems to me like Flex is more of a GUI framework than Apollo is - to me, Apollo is more of a uniter of existing desktop/web frameworks. You could even say it has a function kind of like X-Windows - it is the frameworks layered on top of it that provide the APIs that most developers interact with most of the time. 
 
I&#039;d like to hear more about the issues with the current Flash Player on Linux. Is this a reference to the &quot;yea, but it doesn&#039;t run on 64bit/powerpc/etc.&quot; complaints, or are there a lot of people with actual compatibility problems on the Linux platform we do support? The feedback from people actually using FP9 on Linux has been almost uniformly positive from what I&#039;ve seen. 
 
I also want to point out a few possible typos: 
 
* &quot;web-based application would lack or have severally limited&quot; - should be &#039;severely limited&#039; 
* &quot;but as the Linux users reading this show&quot; - is that supposed to be &quot;reading this know&quot; </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article.</p>
<p>FWIW, though, I&#039;m not sure that calling Apollo a GUI framework is appropriate. Seems to me like Flex is more of a GUI framework than Apollo is &#8211; to me, Apollo is more of a uniter of existing desktop/web frameworks. You could even say it has a function kind of like X-Windows &#8211; it is the frameworks layered on top of it that provide the APIs that most developers interact with most of the time.</p>
<p>I&#039;d like to hear more about the issues with the current Flash Player on Linux. Is this a reference to the &quot;yea, but it doesn&#039;t run on 64bit/powerpc/etc.&quot; complaints, or are there a lot of people with actual compatibility problems on the Linux platform we do support? The feedback from people actually using FP9 on Linux has been almost uniformly positive from what I&#039;ve seen.</p>
<p>I also want to point out a few possible typos:</p>
<p>* &quot;web-based application would lack or have severally limited&quot; &#8211; should be &#039;severely limited&#039;</p>
<p>* &quot;but as the Linux users reading this show&quot; &#8211; is that supposed to be &quot;reading this know&quot; </p>
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