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	<description>One foot in the muck, the other in utopia</description>
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		<title>By: what is apollo</title>
		<link>http://www.redmonk.com/cote/2007/03/05/what-is-apollo/#comment-185072</link>
		<dc:creator>what is apollo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 14:14:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] on Flex ..... I wrote last month on Adobe ???Apollo,??? my feel is more that Adobe is ...http://www.redmonk.com/cote/2007/03/05/what-is-apollo/ApolloThe son of Zeus and Leto, and the twin brother of Artemis. apollo was the god of music [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] on Flex &#8230;.. I wrote last month on Adobe ???Apollo,??? my feel is more that Adobe is &#8230;http://www.redmonk.com/cote/2007/03/05/what-is-apollo/ApolloThe son of Zeus and Leto, and the twin brother of Artemis. apollo was the god of music [...]</p>
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		<title>By: People Over Process &#187; Blog Archive &#187; ColdFusion 8: Adobe&#8217;s less spoken answer for The Web Crowd</title>
		<link>http://www.redmonk.com/cote/2007/03/05/what-is-apollo/#comment-34878</link>
		<dc:creator>People Over Process &#187; Blog Archive &#187; ColdFusion 8: Adobe&#8217;s less spoken answer for The Web Crowd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jun 2007 23:37:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] of softened my freak out when it comes to RIAs. First, my assumption is that most of these RIAs are a run at establishing new and better GUI frameworks rather than &#8220;taking over&#8221; the web. While web applications will do in most instances, [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] of softened my freak out when it comes to RIAs. First, my assumption is that most of these RIAs are a run at establishing new and better GUI frameworks rather than &#8220;taking over&#8221; the web. While web applications will do in most instances, [...]</p>
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		<title>By: People Over Process &#187; Blog Archive &#187; RIA Stacks Comin&#8217; &#8216;Atcha: Silverlight + Astoria, &#8220;Apollo&#8221; + LiveCycle Data Services, &#38; Lighting the Dark Data</title>
		<link>http://www.redmonk.com/cote/2007/03/05/what-is-apollo/#comment-27939</link>
		<dc:creator>People Over Process &#187; Blog Archive &#187; RIA Stacks Comin&#8217; &#8216;Atcha: Silverlight + Astoria, &#8220;Apollo&#8221; + LiveCycle Data Services, &#38; Lighting the Dark Data</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 May 2007 22:01:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] and back-end, respectively for an RIA approach to web-aware application development. Adobe has Flex/&#8220;Apollo&#8221; and LiveCycle Data Services (currently Flex Data Services, or FDS). Indeed, the LDS page is [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] and back-end, respectively for an RIA approach to web-aware application development. Adobe has Flex/&#8220;Apollo&#8221; and LiveCycle Data Services (currently Flex Data Services, or FDS). Indeed, the LDS page is [...]</p>
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		<title>By: People Over Process &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Flex SDK Going Open Source: Video and Analysis</title>
		<link>http://www.redmonk.com/cote/2007/03/05/what-is-apollo/#comment-26303</link>
		<dc:creator>People Over Process &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Flex SDK Going Open Source: Video and Analysis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2007 20:20:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I wrote last month on Adobe &#8220;Apollo,&#8221; my feel is more that Adobe is targeting the desktop GUI world rather than the web. Indeed, I can [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I wrote last month on Adobe &#8220;Apollo,&#8221; my feel is more that Adobe is targeting the desktop GUI world rather than the web. Indeed, I can [...]</p>
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		<title>By: People Over Process &#187; Blog Archive &#187; A day in the life of&#8230;</title>
		<link>http://www.redmonk.com/cote/2007/03/05/what-is-apollo/#comment-18142</link>
		<dc:creator>People Over Process &#187; Blog Archive &#187; A day in the life of&#8230;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Mar 2007 23:07:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Where do the topics for posts come from? Events I&#8217;m at, announcements and news, briefings I&#8217;ve had, ideas and suggestions, overviews of new &#8220;trends&#8221; and ideas, and increasingly (which I love) people asking me to look into or (further) explain something. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Where do the topics for posts come from? Events I&#8217;m at, announcements and news, briefings I&#8217;ve had, ideas and suggestions, overviews of new &#8220;trends&#8221; and ideas, and increasingly (which I love) people asking me to look into or (further) explain something. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Saumande.net &#187; Résumé sur les technologies riches de demain</title>
		<link>http://www.redmonk.com/cote/2007/03/05/what-is-apollo/#comment-12083</link>
		<dc:creator>Saumande.net &#187; Résumé sur les technologies riches de demain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Mar 2007 09:26:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] ce moment, même si pour l&#8217;instant peu de personnes ont pu le tester. Vous trouverez ici une définition trés complète d&#8217;Apollo. La technologie permettra de prendre un code Flash, Flex, ou même [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] ce moment, même si pour l&#8217;instant peu de personnes ont pu le tester. Vous trouverez ici une définition trés complète d&#8217;Apollo. La technologie permettra de prendre un code Flash, Flex, ou même [...]</p>
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		<title>By: John Dowdell</title>
		<link>http://www.redmonk.com/cote/2007/03/05/what-is-apollo/#comment-11963</link>
		<dc:creator>John Dowdell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Mar 2007 00:00:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Cote, sorry I missed meeting you last week, thanks for the write-up this week.

Historical trivia:

The phrase "author once, play anywhere" was popularized by Macromedia before in-browser Java arrived:
http://weblogs.macromedia.com/jd/archives/2007/01/layin_track.cfm

Adobe Apollo was predated by Macromedia Central, which in turn was predated by the early Macromedia Shockwave project:
http://www.google.com/search?q=shockmachine+%22macromedia+central%22

jd/adobe</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Cote, sorry I missed meeting you last week, thanks for the write-up this week.</p>
<p>Historical trivia:</p>
<p>The phrase &#8220;author once, play anywhere&#8221; was popularized by Macromedia before in-browser Java arrived:<br />
<a href="http://weblogs.macromedia.com/jd/archives/2007/01/layin_track.cfm" rel="nofollow">http://weblogs.macromedia.com/jd/archives/2007/01/layin_track.cfm</a></p>
<p>Adobe Apollo was predated by Macromedia Central, which in turn was predated by the early Macromedia Shockwave project:<br />
<a href="http://www.google.com/search?q=shockmachine+%22macromedia+central%22" rel="nofollow">http://www.google.com/search?q=shockmachine+%22macromedia+central%22</a></p>
<p>jd/adobe</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Shebanow</title>
		<link>http://www.redmonk.com/cote/2007/03/05/what-is-apollo/#comment-11501</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Shebanow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2007 03:16:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for clarifying. I'm glad there isn't some huge bucket of FP9 issues out there I hadn't heard about. I completely agree that, at a minimum, Adobe will have to consistently execute on its Flash Player Linux commitments for a while before trust is (re)gained.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for clarifying. I&#8217;m glad there isn&#8217;t some huge bucket of FP9 issues out there I hadn&#8217;t heard about. I completely agree that, at a minimum, Adobe will have to consistently execute on its Flash Player Linux commitments for a while before trust is (re)gained.</p>
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		<title>By: cote</title>
		<link>http://www.redmonk.com/cote/2007/03/05/what-is-apollo/#comment-11457</link>
		<dc:creator>cote</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Mar 2007 23:13:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for taking the time to write up a reply. I'm glad you liked it and I appreciate the feedback.

Yes, you're right on about the GUI framework thing. My angle on explaining this was to someone who didn't already know Flex. From that angle, Flex is a sub-set of Apollo and, thus, Apollo has the characteristics of Flex. While they're not technically "the same," in explaining to someone who's just looking at the full package of Apollo, I wanted to keep it as simple as possible: hence saying Apollo is a GUI framework, rather than saying that Apollo wraps Flex, and that Flex is a GUI framework. Hopefully that simplification doesn't cheat the description too much.

I don't use Linux as my desktop PC, so I can't speak directly to those concerns. But, people I know who do use Linux complain about it whenever the topic comes up. &lt;a href="http://redmonk.com/sogrady/2006/08/30/cmon-adobe-new-flash-for-linux-mkay/" rel="nofollow"&gt;Steve has done a better job covering this&lt;/a&gt; than I.

Now, I know that &lt;a href="http://redmonk.com/sogrady/2006/10/19/hallelujah-flash-9-is-finally-here/" rel="nofollow"&gt;this has been "fixed" with F9&lt;/a&gt; (right?), but I think the Linux world is still feeling burned by compatibility and is rightly still suspicious.

The point in mentioning "write once, run anywhere" was to draw attention to the fact (perhaps strong diction) that there's still trust to be demonstrated here to (at least?) the Linux community despite the welcomed, recent fixes. 

I'm all for it, I'm just jaundiced: kind of like representative democracy ;)

Thanks for the type corrections. I appreciate it ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for taking the time to write up a reply. I&#8217;m glad you liked it and I appreciate the feedback.</p>
<p>Yes, you&#8217;re right on about the GUI framework thing. My angle on explaining this was to someone who didn&#8217;t already know Flex. From that angle, Flex is a sub-set of Apollo and, thus, Apollo has the characteristics of Flex. While they&#8217;re not technically &#8220;the same,&#8221; in explaining to someone who&#8217;s just looking at the full package of Apollo, I wanted to keep it as simple as possible: hence saying Apollo is a GUI framework, rather than saying that Apollo wraps Flex, and that Flex is a GUI framework. Hopefully that simplification doesn&#8217;t cheat the description too much.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t use Linux as my desktop PC, so I can&#8217;t speak directly to those concerns. But, people I know who do use Linux complain about it whenever the topic comes up. <a href="http://redmonk.com/sogrady/2006/08/30/cmon-adobe-new-flash-for-linux-mkay/" rel="nofollow">Steve has done a better job covering this</a> than I.</p>
<p>Now, I know that <a href="http://redmonk.com/sogrady/2006/10/19/hallelujah-flash-9-is-finally-here/" rel="nofollow">this has been &#8220;fixed&#8221; with F9</a> (right?), but I think the Linux world is still feeling burned by compatibility and is rightly still suspicious.</p>
<p>The point in mentioning &#8220;write once, run anywhere&#8221; was to draw attention to the fact (perhaps strong diction) that there&#8217;s still trust to be demonstrated here to (at least?) the Linux community despite the welcomed, recent fixes. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m all for it, I&#8217;m just jaundiced: kind of like representative democracy ;)</p>
<p>Thanks for the type corrections. I appreciate it ;)</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Shebanow</title>
		<link>http://www.redmonk.com/cote/2007/03/05/what-is-apollo/#comment-11455</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Shebanow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Mar 2007 22:50:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great article.

FWIW, though, I'm not sure that calling Apollo a GUI framework is appropriate. Seems to me like Flex is more of a GUI framework than Apollo is - to me, Apollo is more of a uniter of existing desktop/web frameworks. You could even say it has a function kind of like X-Windows - it is the frameworks layered on top of it that provide the APIs that most developers interact with most of the time.

I'd like to hear more about the issues with the current Flash Player on Linux. Is this a reference to the "yea, but it doesn't run on 64bit/powerpc/etc." complaints, or are there a lot of people with actual compatibility problems on the Linux platform we do support? The feedback from people actually using FP9 on Linux has been almost uniformly positive from what I've seen.

I also want to point out a few possible typos:

* "web-based application would lack or have severally limited" - should be 'severely limited'
* "but as the Linux users reading this show" - is that supposed to be "reading this know"</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article.</p>
<p>FWIW, though, I&#8217;m not sure that calling Apollo a GUI framework is appropriate. Seems to me like Flex is more of a GUI framework than Apollo is - to me, Apollo is more of a uniter of existing desktop/web frameworks. You could even say it has a function kind of like X-Windows - it is the frameworks layered on top of it that provide the APIs that most developers interact with most of the time.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d like to hear more about the issues with the current Flash Player on Linux. Is this a reference to the &#8220;yea, but it doesn&#8217;t run on 64bit/powerpc/etc.&#8221; complaints, or are there a lot of people with actual compatibility problems on the Linux platform we do support? The feedback from people actually using FP9 on Linux has been almost uniformly positive from what I&#8217;ve seen.</p>
<p>I also want to point out a few possible typos:</p>
<p>* &#8220;web-based application would lack or have severally limited&#8221; - should be &#8217;severely limited&#8217;<br />
* &#8220;but as the Linux users reading this show&#8221; - is that supposed to be &#8220;reading this know&#8221;</p>
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