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	<title>Comments on: IBM SMB Analyst Summit Day 1: &#8220;IBM is great! &#8230;but it&#8217;s not for me&#8221;</title>
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	<description>One foot in the muck, the other in utopia</description>
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		<title>By: Cote'</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cote'</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Nov 2006 07:07:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bill: the answer is a qualified yes: IBM has non-enterprise service teams. For the most part, however, their mid-market or done through partners.
Anne: successfully going down market...though it's by acquisition, how about &lt;a href="http://newsroom.cisco.com/dlls/hd_032003.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;Cisco and Linksys&lt;/a&gt;? You're question is right though, it's a tough example to fine. Of course, IBM in the PC market until the clones took over.
Tom: I'm glad you liked it, and thanks for the comment. It was nice meeting in person. And, I think you're right. As many discusions at the event and during 1:1 went, there's plenty in the IBM catalog, it's just figuring out how to package it up correctly and get that packaged item in front of the right people. I look forward to the IBM coffee grider 2.0 ;)
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bill: the answer is a qualified yes: IBM has non-enterprise service teams. For the most part, however, their mid-market or done through partners.<br />
Anne: successfully going down market&#8230;though it&#8217;s by acquisition, how about <a href="http://newsroom.cisco.com/dlls/hd_032003.html" rel="nofollow">Cisco and Linksys</a>? You&#8217;re question is right though, it&#8217;s a tough example to fine. Of course, IBM in the PC market until the clones took over.<br />
Tom: I&#8217;m glad you liked it, and thanks for the comment. It was nice meeting in person. And, I think you&#8217;re right. As many discusions at the event and during 1:1 went, there&#8217;s plenty in the IBM catalog, it&#8217;s just figuring out how to package it up correctly and get that packaged item in front of the right people. I look forward to the IBM coffee grider 2.0 ;)</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Curran</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Curran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Nov 2006 06:07:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wow, lots of good analysis here.  Although I am an old IBM guy, even I don't remember when IBM sold coffee grinders and butcher's scales.
But I do remember IBM's being very strong in SMB - the image of IBM's being only large enterprises is only about 10-15 years old in a 100 year old company. So I think we can 
fix that with time and marketing.
Interesting also that you commented about hosted applications and environments as an option for IBM SMB -  you refer to Hoplon which Redmonk now knows well and it's a very small company - only 40 employees and hosting works well for them</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wow, lots of good analysis here.  Although I am an old IBM guy, even I don&#8217;t remember when IBM sold coffee grinders and butcher&#8217;s scales.<br />
But I do remember IBM&#8217;s being very strong in SMB - the image of IBM&#8217;s being only large enterprises is only about 10-15 years old in a 100 year old company. So I think we can<br />
fix that with time and marketing.<br />
Interesting also that you commented about hosted applications and environments as an option for IBM SMB -  you refer to Hoplon which Redmonk now knows well and it&#8217;s a very small company - only 40 employees and hosting works well for them</p>
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		<title>By: Anne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Nov 2006 17:43:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"can that theory of software value support the size of companies like IBM, Microsoft, Adobe, and other companies that were born in the closed source, licensed software world?"

I suspect the answer to that is largely no, although it doesn't mean that big software companies are going to die out, just that they don't have a good way to get into the SMB market. I have been trying to think of a case of a software company successfully going down-market. Can you think of one? 

Pushing their software through partners is reasonable even from an Agilist/decentralist approach--yes it involves mediation, but it's also a kind of decentralizing action, pushing power and capability and profit out to smaller and more dispersed nodes. Your suggestion of rebranding IBM stuff entirely is a way of pushing power and meaning outwards and away from the center, are there other ways to do that? What about letting the partner ecosystem add new features? Not a complete open sourcing approach, but opening up the source to partners.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;can that theory of software value support the size of companies like IBM, Microsoft, Adobe, and other companies that were born in the closed source, licensed software world?&#8221;</p>
<p>I suspect the answer to that is largely no, although it doesn&#8217;t mean that big software companies are going to die out, just that they don&#8217;t have a good way to get into the SMB market. I have been trying to think of a case of a software company successfully going down-market. Can you think of one? </p>
<p>Pushing their software through partners is reasonable even from an Agilist/decentralist approach&#8211;yes it involves mediation, but it&#8217;s also a kind of decentralizing action, pushing power and capability and profit out to smaller and more dispersed nodes. Your suggestion of rebranding IBM stuff entirely is a way of pushing power and meaning outwards and away from the center, are there other ways to do that? What about letting the partner ecosystem add new features? Not a complete open sourcing approach, but opening up the source to partners.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill de hOra</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill de hOra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Nov 2006 11:14:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder if people in the SMB/E space worry about an invasion of the killer service teams. Do IGS have non-enterprise servcies teams? If not, maybe they could buy/partner with the likes of Thoughtworks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder if people in the SMB/E space worry about an invasion of the killer service teams. Do IGS have non-enterprise servcies teams? If not, maybe they could buy/partner with the likes of Thoughtworks.</p>
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