Comments on: El Rey de Café http://www.redmonk.com/cote/2006/09/07/el-rey-de-caf/ One foot in the muck, the other in utopia Tue, 02 Dec 2008 01:15:54 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.3 By: Mike Lunt http://www.redmonk.com/cote/2006/09/07/el-rey-de-caf/#comment-445 Mike Lunt Fri, 08 Sep 2006 23:10:43 +0000 http://www.redmonk.com/cote/wp/?p=349#comment-445 Thanks for the reply. That definitely answers my question, but I'll have to chew on the idea of running Ruby code with the JRE. Thanks for the reply. That definitely answers my question, but I’ll have to chew on the idea of running Ruby code with the JRE.

]]> By: Cote' http://www.redmonk.com/cote/2006/09/07/el-rey-de-caf/#comment-444 Cote' Fri, 08 Sep 2006 21:23:18 +0000 http://www.redmonk.com/cote/wp/?p=349#comment-444 Ian, and on RDT for Lunt: to be honest, I haven't gotten my hands dirty with RDT yet. I've just heard about it. But that hearing has been positive. If I'd have dredged the Ruby IDE part of my mind better, I would have put a link to it. As always, it seems like the Eclipse community is expansive. With that declaration of clean hands aside, I am more interested in a general ruby IDE vs. rails. I realize rails is to hot-stuff now-a-days, but I think long-term, there's even more value in ruby that it currently has. And, though I used to be a black-and-green emacs nerd, I'm not a firm believer in the need for an IDE to keep an language afloat. All that said, I clearly need to play around with RDT before making more proclamations along these lines ;> Lunt: to me "wrapped in the JDK" means that if I was using JDK/JRE X (6, 7, or whatever), I could code in Java, JavaScript, or Ruby. I'm looking for the Java to become a platform in the same sense that Linux is a application development platform, and expanding out the languages that exist in that platform by default gives Java an advantage. That is, instead of dumping Java for ruby, for example, you'd still just use Java as your platform. Of course, that's a sort of grand-vision. There could be more point/nice uses of dynamic languages in the Java world. JSPs with their ELs are a great example in existence right now. (I realize I'm jumbling up Java and part of JEE, but when <i>doesn't</i> that happen in the real world?) I've heard that programming servlets in dynamic languages is great compared to Java, and I suspect much of UI development would bee much better done in a dynamic language rather than straight Java. If that doesn't clear it up, I can write a more detailed post on the topic ;> Ian, and on RDT for Lunt: to be honest, I haven’t gotten my hands dirty with RDT yet. I’ve just heard about it. But that hearing has been positive. If I’d have dredged the Ruby IDE part of my mind better, I would have put a link to it. As always, it seems like the Eclipse community is expansive. With that declaration of clean hands aside, I am more interested in a general ruby IDE vs. rails. I realize rails is to hot-stuff now-a-days, but I think long-term, there’s even more value in ruby that it currently has. And, though I used to be a black-and-green emacs nerd, I’m not a firm believer in the need for an IDE to keep an language afloat. All that said, I clearly need to play around with RDT before making more proclamations along these lines ;>
Lunt: to me “wrapped in the JDK” means that if I was using JDK/JRE X (6, 7, or whatever), I could code in Java, JavaScript, or Ruby. I’m looking for the Java to become a platform in the same sense that Linux is a application development platform, and expanding out the languages that exist in that platform by default gives Java an advantage. That is, instead of dumping Java for ruby, for example, you’d still just use Java as your platform.
Of course, that’s a sort of grand-vision. There could be more point/nice uses of dynamic languages in the Java world. JSPs with their ELs are a great example in existence right now. (I realize I’m jumbling up Java and part of JEE, but when doesn’t that happen in the real world?) I’ve heard that programming servlets in dynamic languages is great compared to Java, and I suspect much of UI development would bee much better done in a dynamic language rather than straight Java.
If that doesn’t clear it up, I can write a more detailed post on the topic ;>

]]> By: Mike Lunt http://www.redmonk.com/cote/2006/09/07/el-rey-de-caf/#comment-443 Mike Lunt Fri, 08 Sep 2006 18:38:26 +0000 http://www.redmonk.com/cote/wp/?p=349#comment-443 Great post... I do have a couple of questions: >> Once JavaScript is wrapped into the JDK, will Ruby be next? - What exactly does this mean in your mind? I don't typically associate JavaScript and Ruby in a way that makes this statement make sense to me. - Second...but I can see that Ian beat me to it...RadRails seems to have Eclipse well on it's way for Ruby. Great post… I do have a couple of questions:

>> Once JavaScript is wrapped into the JDK, will Ruby be next?
- What exactly does this mean in your mind? I don’t typically associate JavaScript and Ruby in a way that makes this statement make sense to me.

- Second…but I can see that Ian beat me to it…RadRails seems to have Eclipse well on it’s way for Ruby.

]]> By: Ian Skerrett http://www.redmonk.com/cote/2006/09/07/el-rey-de-caf/#comment-442 Ian Skerrett Fri, 08 Sep 2006 03:37:08 +0000 http://www.redmonk.com/cote/wp/?p=349#comment-442 Cote, Have you checked out RDT and RadRails? Lots of innovation already going on for Ruby and Ruby on Rails tools. Ian Cote,

Have you checked out RDT and RadRails? Lots of innovation already going on for Ruby and Ruby on Rails tools.

Ian

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